Topic: The problem with atheism. - page 4. (Read 38470 times)

No link between my question and your remark...
If you think religion is a genetic characteristic that means there is no merit in being a religious person.
It means people who are religious are because of there genes and people who are not religious aren't because of there genes...

And as God is the one who created the humans and there genes, isn't it incredibly mean and sadistic from him to punish those who simply don't have the genes to be religious?

Either you believe or not about the existence of God as long as there is still respect to each other since we have our freedom worship and freedom to make choices. The thing that each and every human should have and never be missing is their humanity which will stand proof that they are human by mind and heart.

Does this mean that nature has a brain so that it can plan things?

You are surviving because it is a natural plan. You are not confusing seriously but you have to choose and choosing to not believing in the existince of god was  your decision yet would never be a solution

The word "spirit" is capitalized in many of the ancient manuscripts. This indicates God's Spirit.

The word "breath" is another word for "spirit."

Why would God say "spirit" twice? The answer is that He is talking about God's Spirit and man's spirit, together in us.

Notice that the passage says "his." Both spirits belong to God, his and ours.

Consider that everything in the universe operates according to cause and effect. This sounds like we don't have free will. Yet God talks about people having free will in the Bible. So, where is that free will if it isn't in the way things work?

The free will of mankind exists in a tiny sliver of faith that people have. We all have limited faith in God. God takes that faith that we have (the only free will that we have) and goes back to the Beginning and jiggles and juggles cause and effect so that everything re-happens according to our sliver of faith in Him... as our free will faith changes.

The power and control of God over this universe are awesome, way beyond understanding.

I actually do not like how you think about free will and will of God, because if everything we do is predicted and set by God, than there is no free will for humans. That is why i think that God does not concern our mortal doings, only what comes after. But to think that religion is genetic characteristic... well that is something to think about it, really interesting idea.

The problem for atheism is, there aren't any atheists. Those people who claim they are atheists, are simply people who hare hoping and desiring that the theme of atheism is real.

How do we know there aren't any atheists? Because all atheists know that they haven't checked out the whole earth and the whole galaxy to see if God doesn't exist somewhere. When they know this, they know that God might exist, and atheism (which says that God doesn't exist) disappears.

Poor, pathetic, atheists! Yet, atheists are pulling the wool over the eyes of many people who don't realize that atheists don't exist, and that they can't become atheists, themselves, no matter how hard they try.

And yet, the problem with the atheist they really don't believed in God existency, they are fully believed to themselves as well just like they know everything in this world. Which is they maybe intelligent but still in the sight of God almighty they are just nothing and none sense.

I'm a catholic and we believe in God. The problem is there is true God and we need to believe to survive in our second lives. There is a reason to believe in God the main reason is to go to the paradise of the God if you die but if you do not believe to God there's a chance that you will go to the hell . I respect your religion but I'm saying the truth that there is a real God that protecting and guiding us everyday.

Why evolution is selecting religious genes?  I don't know.  The environment, culture and/or education is affecting the fertility rates.

How you jump from that to proof of God is beyond me.  It is just another of your assertions.

What is the fertility rate of people in the Amazon jungle? Until 1970 it was 5 children per woman.  They never heard of your 'Gods'.

It is!

But even our free will is a cause and effect thing in close to 100% of it. The tiny sliver of a percent that has free will in it, is the thing that God uses to judge how He will dictate the rest of our life through cause and effect.

Hey man.
Just to adress your big question of "religious being the big winner of Darwin evolution" as you say.

Simple question: do you think religion is a genetic characteristic?

Frankly speaking:

No one can really prove whether God is true or not so there is no one who have the right to forcefully push their beliefs into others since their belief is indefinite. Just respect each other and keep your humanity intact because sometimes you tend to push your beliefs so much that you have forgotten that you are out of place and your values and manners left behind. If you want to promote an intellectual and healthy discussion regarding this then better set the facts straight and your logic on point because it seems like fallacy has what keeps running and putting the argument into some trashy things. Support your argument by supplying evidences to prove your point and don't let your emotions cloud your thinking because sometimes this one is the trigger that puts things out of the right track.

I'm not actually pertaining to a specific or particular person hence I am generalizing especially in the topic of religion which everyone would just throw some nonsense to one another but there are some who have started an argument with a sense from both pro and anti which is really rare to find.

God in the lives of other people is the one who helps them endure and give meaning to life and serve as their hope so who are we to take it away? On the other hand, others who don't believe in God but suffers and endures life like any other human does then who are we judge? Both sides prove that we have not known our lives and origin well and no one can really tell which is which but we do know that we are brothers and sisters, live, care, and love one another are things to never forget what humanity is with humans.

Assertions, assertions and more assertions....That is all you religious freaks are good at.

BTW, we were not GIVEN anything.  You were born thanks to your mother and father, not some sky daddy.

Get this out of your thick skull.

"Free will" concept was added to fill up the holes in the religious dogma.  The problem is there is absolutely no proof that any of it is actually true.

But to religious nuts, truth is irrelevant.  They come up with whatever version of the religious dogma they can accept, and run with it.

So they remove slavery and stoning of people, add killing of enemies, remove (or add) killing of gays or atheists, add or remove concepts of lakes of fire, devil, angels, saints, holy trinity, virgin pregnancy, 6000 year old Earth, 6 days creation etc.

The more educated the religious freak is the less the standard religious Bible/Quran/Talmud dogma he/she follows.  Eventually reaching the conclusion that either God does not exist or he does not give a flying fuck about what is happening here on this planet.

For you atheist.
Do you ever feel that you want to know about who created you?
Do you longing for some persona that is GREATER than you?
We are created by God, no matter how fulfilled you are, you will still have one piece that is missing in your life.
That piece can only fulfilled by God.

Peace
 

But the below links not only prove the existence of God, but they also show that God is the reason for everything... not some sky daddy.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16803380

Why evolution is selecting religious genes?  I addressed this question in depth in the Health and Religion thread.

Would you be offended if there were plaques everywhere that said Jesus never existed, there is no heaven or hell, Christianity is a cult made up to exploit people, Mary was knocked up by a stranger and Joseph saved her from being stoned etc.

Would ignore such plaques? Or would you want them taken down?

Now you know how offensive Christian bullshit is to us.

Just for sake of this post, I am "unignoring" you, despite the fact, that your language and cognitive ability is more akin to sewer rat, than Richard Dawkins.

Answer, why does natural selection clearly selects religious people over atheists? It was asked before, but I take for granted, that you dont read posts that are more than day old.

Why are you dying out? Is extinction along with rules of evolution your "truth"? You freely chose to worship death. That is your proof, backed by numbers of secular governments.

It would be cool, if some of you atleast tried to read subject of this thread before responding. "Problem with atheism". Not "my problem with themes I dont understand". There are better places for that, like threads started by member "Moloch".

To adress you more closely.

Religion is extension of personal faith the same way corporation is extension of private enterprise. Or the same way, that tribe is extension of ones family.

There are two things an individual is good at without any source of faith. Masturbation and death.

We were not only given free will, but intellect aswell so we could join forces to accomplish goals impossible for lonely individual.