Jones Vs Stipe - as expected. Some say Jones looked a bit slowish but I think he did really good. You could tell he wasn't rushing and wanted the fight to last for at least few rounds, if he was to step on the gas pedal early, he would've finished Stipe in rd 1. As for Stipe, to nobody's surprise, he isn't the guy he used to be. His age and long break took their toll. He had a great career and it was a dream last fight.
No official announcement as of yet, but from what Dana, Tom, and partially Jon all said post-fight, we will almost definitely see Jones Vs Aspinall next (unless Jones wants too much or decides to retire). And that's good news.
Topic: The UFC Info and Prediction Thread - page 2. (Read 96716 times)
His fight against Pereira is a perfect for hype. Pereira might become first triple UFC champ, or Bones could become active double champ. And hold it by not fighting anyone for years 
If I was Pereira, I wouldn't move in heavyweight. First of all, heavyweight is more dangerous because of higher weight and second of all, Pereira is in his late 30s. He is in a great shape, has a low body fat levels. If he gains weight, it will be harder for him to lose it later and weight is not good for our health, nor for our appearance.He will be the first triple UFC champion, maybe even if he doesn't want to do this, that is, even if he doesn't want to gain weight and go up to the upper weight class, the audience and the UFC will force him to go up to heavyweight.
When he goes up to heavyweight, the level will be very different for him. All I have to say is CHAMA.
Since it is Jones who wants to fight Pereira then let him go down to LW, let him dry out, and see if he is determined. But I'm not Pereira. If he is eyeing for a big payday, then Jones vs Pereira it is. Chama.
Oliveira keeps trying to choke Chandler even when he could actually beat Chandler down and KO him in the first few rounds. It looks like he is betting on submitting Chandler that he kept trying.
His fight against Pereira is a perfect for hype. Pereira might become first triple UFC champ, or Bones could become active double champ. And hold it by not fighting anyone for years
If I was Pereira, I wouldn't move in heavyweight. First of all, heavyweight is more dangerous because of higher weight and second of all, Pereira is in his late 30s. He is in a great shape, has a low body fat levels. If he gains weight, it will be harder for him to lose it later and weight is not good for our health, nor for our appearance.He will be the first triple UFC champion, maybe even if he doesn't want to do this, that is, even if he doesn't want to gain weight and go up to the upper weight class, the audience and the UFC will force him to go up to heavyweight.
When he goes up to heavyweight, the level will be very different for him. All I have to say is CHAMA.
Yeah... But here's the thing, if Jones doesn't accept the UFC's proposal of him and Aspinall then we know Jones is dead serious. But if he does accept the match up then we know it's just all mind games from Jones. So we'll see. I mean I they go at it and fight but I also wouldn't mind Jones vs Pereira or Aspinall vs Pereira.
Here's the last vid to watch before the event. GL all you degens.
UFC 309: Ceremonial Weigh In
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqVD1PkBXrA
I think that it's all fake and that's very clear. Jon Jones says he doesn't want to fight Tom Aspinal, he basically admits that he is frightened but Dana White, in front of Jon Jones, says that the winner should definitely fight to Tom Aspinal and then Jon is like, woah. It's all fake, they are trying to build HYPE but it looks so fake and unnatural, we all know that Dana wouldn't say that without talking with Jon Jones at first. C'mon, he is Jon's gf after all Here's the last vid to watch before the event. GL all you degens.
UFC 309: Ceremonial Weigh In
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqVD1PkBXrA
His fight against Pereira is a perfect for hype. Pereira might become first triple UFC champ, or Bones could become active double champ. And hold it by not fighting anyone for years
If I was Pereira, I wouldn't move in heavyweight. First of all, heavyweight is more dangerous because of higher weight and second of all, Pereira is in his late 30s. He is in a great shape, has a low body fat levels. If he gains weight, it will be harder for him to lose it later and weight is not good for our health, nor for our appearance. 
^ Yeah, I kinda knew that Nickal vs Craig would disappoint. The over 1.5 rounds was good value. As said, Craig didn't allow himself to be pushed around.
As for Jones' performance, I was kinda disappointed too tbh. He looked slow and flat up there. I think Aspinall could give Jones a run for his money.
But yeah, here's the post fight press conference. Let's see what the Dana White and Jones have to say...
UFC 309: Post Fight Press Conference
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLl4BSI2cOg
As for Jones' performance, I was kinda disappointed too tbh. He looked slow and flat up there. I think Aspinall could give Jones a run for his money.
But yeah, here's the post fight press conference. Let's see what the Dana White and Jones have to say...
UFC 309: Post Fight Press Conference
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLl4BSI2cOg
So, are you happy with the result and performance?
I will start from the far. Even prelims and early prelims looked better than main card. My main disappointment was Nickal vs Craig fight. For me this fight was boring. I havent looked for stats, but it looked that they walked most of the fight. Craig spammed with left kick mostly, Nickal with same punch and overhand combo. Why dont they wrestle? Where is all action?
I will start from the far. Even prelims and early prelims looked better than main card. My main disappointment was Nickal vs Craig fight. For me this fight was boring. I havent looked for stats, but it looked that they walked most of the fight. Craig spammed with left kick mostly, Nickal with same punch and overhand combo. Why dont they wrestle? Where is all action?
And from the press conference, Jones said that he already told everyone what he thinks of Aspinall and a what he thinks about the UFC matching them up. It looks like he wants Alex Pereira next.
Lets not forget that Bones was a lightheavy first and he was sort of a forced to gain. Wasnt UFC hyping (just hyping) about Bones vs Ngannou and forced him to gain. Then he won a heavyweight title in his heavyweight debut. Historically, he is still a LH champ, as he did not lost title but vacated it. His fight against Pereira is a perfect for hype. Pereira might become first triple UFC champ, or Bones could become active double champ. And hold it by not fighting anyone for years
^ Dunno... But I feel like Jones is gonna drag the match to R5 and finish Miocic there. Jones to win at R5 is at 17 rn at Stake.
After all the criticism he's facing from the fans for fighting Stipe instead of Aspinal, I'm almost certain he will want the fight to last at least 3 rounds.
Imagine if he were to finish Stipe in the first seconds - he wouldn't get any praise for that, it would make him look pretty bad. There would be even more backlash for him beating a poor, retired old man who just wanted to earn his last bucks in the industry. It was Jones who pressed hard for this fight to happen, not the UFC.
Meanwhile, Tom posted a video response to Jon:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zFR_ngsnbc
It totally agree with what Aspinall said. If Jones is really ducking a match up against Aspinall then I think it would be best for Jones to retire. But then again if Jones is really playing some kind of mind game then Aspinall just took the bait. What Aspinall should do is just fight whoever is next for him and worry less about Jones.
Anyway, what do you guys think of the Bo Nickal fight going over 1.5 rounds..? It's at 2.30 right now. Could be a good value bet as Paul Craig is a vet in the game. He knows the only way to win the fight is to make it look close and to drag it along to a decision.
Jon didn't say anything when Dana said the winner would fight Tom. I doubt Pereira and him will really fight too so this is his last dance. Dana makes it sound like Jones is active all the time but yep I guess it's a cue that as long as he is active according to Dana, Jones is the GOAT.
2.30 for Bo. They can wrestle together and might struggle to fight the big guy like Craig.
Yeah... But here's the thing, if Jones doesn't accept the UFC's proposal of him and Aspinall then we know Jones is dead serious. But if he does accept the match up then we know it's just all mind games from Jones. So we'll see. I mean I they go at it and fight but I also wouldn't mind Jones vs Pereira or Aspinall vs Pereira.
Here's the last vid to watch before the event. GL all you degens.
UFC 309: Ceremonial Weigh In
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqVD1PkBXrA
Jon didn't say anything when Dana said the winner would fight Tom. I doubt Pereira and him will really fight too so this is his last dance. Dana makes it sound like Jones is active all the time but yep I guess it's a cue that as long as he is active according to Dana, Jones is the GOAT.
There was nothing Jon could've possibly said in that situation. And Dana gave the only answer he could give. If the UFC was to allow Jones to fight anyone else than the interim belt holder and still keep his heavyweight belt, all the belts and rankings would be meaningless.
Apparently, there was some bad blood between Jones and Stipe. Jon blamed Stipe for saying something about his family and he refused to shake his hand during the first face-off. But they shook hands during the ceremonial weigh-in.
^ Dunno... But I feel like Jones is gonna drag the match to R5 and finish Miocic there. Jones to win at R5 is at 17 rn at Stake.
After all the criticism he's facing from the fans for fighting Stipe instead of Aspinal, I'm almost certain he will want the fight to last at least 3 rounds.
Imagine if he were to finish Stipe in the first seconds - he wouldn't get any praise for that, it would make him look pretty bad. There would be even more backlash for him beating a poor, retired old man who just wanted to earn his last bucks in the industry. It was Jones who pressed hard for this fight to happen, not the UFC.
Meanwhile, Tom posted a video response to Jon:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zFR_ngsnbc
It totally agree with what Aspinall said. If Jones is really ducking a match up against Aspinall then I think it would be best for Jones to retire. But then again if Jones is really playing some kind of mind game then Aspinall just took the bait. What Aspinall should do is just fight whoever is next for him and worry less about Jones.
Anyway, what do you guys think of the Bo Nickal fight going over 1.5 rounds..? It's at 2.30 right now. Could be a good value bet as Paul Craig is a vet in the game. He knows the only way to win the fight is to make it look close and to drag it along to a decision.
Jon didn't say anything when Dana said the winner would fight Tom. I doubt Pereira and him will really fight too so this is his last dance. Dana makes it sound like Jones is active all the time but yep I guess it's a cue that as long as he is active according to Dana, Jones is the GOAT.
2.30 for Bo. They can wrestle together and might struggle to fight the big guy like Craig.
Yeah, that would be a nice bet though. Craig isnt a rug doll for showing wrestling skill, and Bo wasnt that good at striking (and even worse at defence, he is dangerously open). I think Craig has all chances to make the fight longer than first round I would even try to carefully look on submission in second or third round bet. Craig should have skills to defence all attacks and not to fall down in first round. Most of Craig losses are either in after first round or <1minutes before first round ends Taking into consideration his experience, and bad Bo striking, second round loss or later is a good bet
I would even try to carefully look on submission in second or third round bet. Craig should have skills to defence all attacks and not to fall down in first round. Most of Craig losses are either in after first round or <1minutes before first round ends Taking into consideration his experience, and bad Bo striking, second round loss or later is a good bet Yeah... I saw the pre fight press conference face offs and it looks like Paul Craig looks like he won't allow himself to be pushed around by Bo Nickal. But we'll see. I could be wrong. Lol.
And from the press conference, Jones said that he already told everyone what he thinks of Aspinall and a what he thinks about the UFC matching them up. It looks like he wants Alex Pereira next.
Watch the vids here...
UFC 309: Pre Fight Press Conference
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H54wGhBlTGc
UFC 309: Jon Jones Media Day
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BgF1LCqDoM
Official weigh ins in under a couple of hours folks... Tune in.
UFC 309: Weigh In Show
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PgFvd4ySKE
Anyway, what do you guys think of the Bo Nickal fight going over 1.5 rounds..? It's at 2.30 right now. Could be a good value bet as Paul Craig is a vet in the game. He knows the only way to win the fight is to make it look close and to drag it along to a decision.
Craig often makes surprises with his unexpected win and this is something to watch out for and is quite worrying when want to take Nickal as favorite, on the other hand Craig has good resilience because several times he looked completely destroyed but still managed to continue his fight.I would not bet on this fight but it is interesting to see if Nickal with his basic skills as wrestler can get another win like in his previous fights which always ended quickly by submission or KO.
Its funny that UFC fights are sometimes so unpredicted, that Bo will knock out Craig with high kick on the first seconds of first round, completely ignoring all logic, his usual behaviour and our predictions and thoughts I've been failing with bets due random factor in UFC multiple times already. I make it way to complicated when trying to predict outcome. Sometimes I try to watch and compare behaviour of two guys, previous results, predict something, examine weak and strong points. But during the fight, its boom>knockout>lost bet performed by a wrestler grappler bjj artist against a top striker with stone chin
I've been failing with bets due random factor in UFC multiple times already. I make it way to complicated when trying to predict outcome. Sometimes I try to watch and compare behaviour of two guys, previous results, predict something, examine weak and strong points. But during the fight, its boom>knockout>lost bet performed by a wrestler grappler bjj artist against a top striker with stone chin (...) But then again if Jones is really playing some kind of mind game then Aspinall just took the bait. What Aspinall should do is just fight whoever is next for him and worry less about Jones.
I can't see any bait here. Aspinall is definitely gaining of the whole situation with majority of the fans jumping on his side.
To me, it looks like he was reserved and overly-respectful to Jon, but then said "f that" and went all in into calling him out. Now Jones is in the tough spot - he can retire after beating Stipe but it won't be a nice farewell, he would get a lot of hate from the fans, or he could take the fight with Tom and risk a loss.
BUT, if Jones actually wants to fight Tom and all this is just a way to hype it up, then well-played for him, it works perfectly.
Anyway, what do you guys think of the Bo Nickal fight going over 1.5 rounds..? It's at 2.30 right now. Could be a good value bet as Paul Craig is a vet in the game. He knows the only way to win the fight is to make it look close and to drag it along to a decision.
Craig's master move is triangle choke from the back, and that's the way Bo lost his jiu-jitsu fight with Gordon Ryan, meaning it's possible Nickal could prefer to engage in a striking match (I think he might be slightly better striker than Paul). That, in turn, could make the fight last longer.
I'm not convinced Paul would want to take it to the distance as there's a risk judges would strongly prefer to give it the prospective rising star (if the fight is close). I think he'll be looking for submission instead, but probably it would have to be Bo who takes it to the ground and Craig will be looking to submit him from the defence, like he did plenty of times.
Yeah, that would be a nice bet though. Craig isnt a rug doll for showing wrestling skill, and Bo wasnt that good at striking (and even worse at defence, he is dangerously open). I think Craig has all chances to make the fight longer than first round I would even try to carefully look on submission in second or third round bet. Craig should have skills to defence all attacks and not to fall down in first round. Most of Craig losses are either in after first round or <1minutes before first round ends Taking into consideration his experience, and bad Bo striking, second round loss or later is a good bet
I would even try to carefully look on submission in second or third round bet. Craig should have skills to defence all attacks and not to fall down in first round. Most of Craig losses are either in after first round or <1minutes before first round ends Taking into consideration his experience, and bad Bo striking, second round loss or later is a good bet ^ Dunno... But I feel like Jones is gonna drag the match to R5 and finish Miocic there. Jones to win at R5 is at 17 rn at Stake.
After all the criticism he's facing from the fans for fighting Stipe instead of Aspinal, I'm almost certain he will want the fight to last at least 3 rounds.
Imagine if he were to finish Stipe in the first seconds - he wouldn't get any praise for that, it would make him look pretty bad. There would be even more backlash for him beating a poor, retired old man who just wanted to earn his last bucks in the industry. It was Jones who pressed hard for this fight to happen, not the UFC.
Meanwhile, Tom posted a video response to Jon:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zFR_ngsnbc
I totally agree with what Aspinall said. If Jones is really ducking a match up against Aspinall then I think it would be best for Jones to retire. But then again if Jones is really playing some kind of mind game then Aspinall just took the bait. What Aspinall should do is just fight whoever is next for him and worry less about Jones.
Anyway, what do you guys think of the Bo Nickal fight going over 1.5 rounds..? It's at 2.30 right now. Could be a good value bet as Paul Craig is a vet in the game. He knows the only way to win the fight is to make it look close and to drag it along to a decision.
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^ Dunno... But I feel like Jones is gonna drag the match to R5 and finish Miocic there. Jones to win at R5 is at 17 rn at Stake.
After all the criticism he's facing from the fans for fighting Stipe instead of Aspinal, I'm almost certain he will want the fight to last at least 3 rounds.
Why do you think that the fight is going to last so long? Put on one part of scales G.O.A.T, and old and almost retired guy, who has said that he is having 24h work shifts. I agree with many, that Miocic will be there only to get a paycheck. And for Bones, why try to make fight last many rounds. There is always a chance of a lucky punch, judges can give warning for low activity, Bones can accidentally injure himself (lol, remember how Ortega injured his feet during warm out jumps before the fight, or Chris Barnett recently did the same on UFC 308).
^ Dunno... But I feel like Jones is gonna drag the match to R5 and finish Miocic there. Jones to win at R5 is at 17 rn at Stake.
After all the criticism he's facing from the fans for fighting Stipe instead of Aspinal, I'm almost certain he will want the fight to last at least 3 rounds.
Imagine if he were to finish Stipe in the first seconds - he wouldn't get any praise for that, it would make him look pretty bad. There would be even more backlash for him beating a poor, retired old man who just wanted to earn his last bucks in the industry. It was Jones who pressed hard for this fight to happen, not the UFC.
Meanwhile, Tom posted a video response to Jon:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zFR_ngsnbc
I deliberately chose the word might in my previous message but I think I should have chosen hopefully for clarity. Anyway, Charles is one of the best in the division and moreover he has one of the most impressive stories in the UFC, the only unlucky thing is that he's in the same division with P4P Islam Makhachev. I think he will get a belt fight after this fight or after a couple of fights, I mean, before he ends his career, I have no doubt about that, but if he loses this fight I think we will be witnessing the end of a legend...
^ Dunno... But I feel like Jones is gonna drag the match to R5 and finish Miocic there. Jones to win at R5 is at 17 rn at Stake.
As for other value lines there's Chandler via KO at 4.80... I was hoping for a decent line at Bo Nickal props but no. No value everywhere. Lol. I also think Araujo vs Silva won't go the distance. The former has bad cardio and with Silva's skills on the mat, she's gonna catch Araujo with something. Fight doesn't go the distance is at 2.75, under 2.5 rounds at 2.95.
Still haven't checked the other lines... Will post here on the spots I like once I do.
As for other value lines there's Chandler via KO at 4.80... I was hoping for a decent line at Bo Nickal props but no. No value everywhere. Lol. I also think Araujo vs Silva won't go the distance. The former has bad cardio and with Silva's skills on the mat, she's gonna catch Araujo with something. Fight doesn't go the distance is at 2.75, under 2.5 rounds at 2.95.
Still haven't checked the other lines... Will post here on the spots I like once I do.
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