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Quote from: trendcoin on November 08, 2024, 05:45:56 PM

Usman battered Edwards throughout the fight but lost the fight at an unfortunate moment in the last round. Usman was leading 3-1 until the last round. I refrain from commenting on that fight. Usman could have won that fight.
https://x.com/bernardogs9/status/1853840718953107893

On the other hand, I also refrain from commenting on Usman's fight with Khamzat. Khamzat is the only one who took Usman down and battered him on the ground. Usman has never looked so desperate before. However, Khamzat is already an exception. Usman's loss to Khamzat is a non-issue for me. Khamzat would have beaten anyone that day...

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1140487650429684

I generally agree with your views on Usman. It won't be an easy fight for Shavkat. It will be a very good fight and we will see two equal fighters in the octagon...

I would risk saying that Usman at his 100% is a better challenge than Belal at his 100%. Although it's possible that Belal's wrestling is slightly better than Usman's now, as I believe he went through the Dagestani training, which could be really important when fighting Shavkat.

Anyhow, Usman has allegedly agreed to take such fight on a short notice, should the UFC give them the green light:
https://mmajunkie.usatoday.com/2024/11/ufc-310-kamaru-usman-breaks-silence-shavkat-rakhmonov-fight-possibility

I'm not sure it's the smartest career move for Usman, but I hope the UFC will make it happen.

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Quote from: pawel7777 on November 06, 2024, 05:30:54 PM

Let's be fair to the guy. He only lost to the champion, Leon Edwards. The loss to Chimaev should not count as it was a middleweight bout.
Before that, he was a dominant champion with 5 successful title defences.
I'm not a big fan of his, but we can't just discard his past successes because he had the balls to take the Chimaev fight on a very short notice in a higher-weight class (where he still performed pretty decently). He should be rewarded for that, not punished.
Plus, I can't see who would be more deserving of the number 2 spot. I could argue that maybe they should swap places with Shavkat, but that doesn't matter as Shavkat is getting his shot at the title anyway.

Usman battered Edwards throughout the fight but lost the fight at an unfortunate moment in the last round. Usman was leading 3-1 until the last round. I refrain from commenting on that fight. Usman could have won that fight.
https://x.com/bernardogs9/status/1853840718953107893

On the other hand, I also refrain from commenting on Usman's fight with Khamzat. Khamzat is the only one who took Usman down and battered him on the ground. Usman has never looked so desperate before. However, Khamzat is already an exception. Usman's loss to Khamzat is a non-issue for me. Khamzat would have beaten anyone that day... :)
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1140487650429684

I generally agree with your views on Usman. It won't be an easy fight for Shavkat. It will be a very good fight and we will see two equal fighters in the octagon...

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Quote from: TopTort777 on November 08, 2024, 04:55:17 AM

Have you heard about recent Conor McGregor scandal? Sexual assault. What do you think about it? Fake and someone just wants a piece of McGregor money pie? Or sounds true, as he, with all those alco around him, is really able to lose control. Or media created fake news on purpose?

Who knows, but I don't think I care anymore about anything that happens with that guy.

As for Jon Jones, everyone sees it for what it is - he's ducking Aspinall. His explanation about focusing on "legacy" fights is nonsense. Literally all of the MMA fans would prefer to see him fighting Tom instead of Stipe. What kind of legacy would he leave behind if he chooses to fight Alex Pereira instead of Tom in his next fight after Stipe, which probably will be his last fight? He would almost certainly get stripped of the belt and would look like a coward.

But it kind of makes sense if you put yourself in his shoes. He knows he's well past his prime but still wants to squeeze some big bucks before riding off into the sunset. He doesn't want to end his career with a loss and he can't admit he's afraid Tom, so he has no choice but to come up with excuses.

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Quote from: tokeweed on November 08, 2024, 07:04:08 AM

^ Hopefully a Jones vs Aspinall match up will be in the works.

Lol, about 15 minutes ago my eyes caught this one "Jon Jones reveals reason for not fighting Tom Aspinall - does it stack up?". Instead of Aspinall, he would rather fight Pereira Cheesy

For UFC such fight looks more $$$ than a fight where Bones crown will fall down Cheesy

Just imagine how it looks. Aspinall becomes champ and GOAT retires. Or Goat fights again (and probably submits) slash Pereira gets a chance to be a triple champ.

This is Dana after realizing two hype fighters fight is possible and both of them wants it.

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^ Hopefully a Jones vs Aspinall match up will be in the works. But like a lot of people, I also have a feeling that he'll retire after fighting Miocic... Dunno tho. Let's just see what's gonna happen.

All in all, if I could have the match up that I really want for Jones... It would be Jones vs Ngannou. And I said it before, I think Ngannou owns Jones' ass in the cage. But that's just IMHO.

Weigh ins in around 4 hours if anybody cares.. Lol.

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We are pretty silent last days Cheesy

Its time to cheer up this place.

Have you heard about recent Conor McGregor scandal? Sexual assault. What do you think about it? Fake and someone just wants a piece of McGregor money pie? Or sounds true, as he, with all those alco around him, is really able to lose control. Or media created fake news on purpose?

UFC g.o.a.t. has a week to screw his return/last fight. What can we expect after that fight actually? Finally retire? Fight Aspinall? Avoid him like a plague? Cheesy

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Quote from: tokeweed on November 06, 2024, 07:26:11 AM

^ He's still one of the more popular guys in the UFC tho, so it makes sense to to go send him fight a tough, Kazakh bro to build Rakhmonov up and make him one of the more sought after commodities in the UFC. I think a lot of people would pay to watch him rather than Belal Muhammad imho.

Nothing against Muhammad, it's just Rakhmonov as the champ would make 170 a hell lot more exciting. And I hope he gets to fight the Ian Garry guy and knocks him out cold. Lol.

Yep Justice for Garry's X wife.

Rakhmonov was actually the one suggesting Usman for the interim belt to save the 310. If the UFC approved it, it would still be a good fight. I doubt Usman would drop a huge stone on his toe just to duck Shav. Usman needs to fight with all his might else he goes down the hole.

It will still be a fight to come and Belal will still have to face Shavkat. Shavkat already suspected Belal deliberately posted that injury just recently but the rumor was that, that injury was weeks to months ago.

Wait what..? Garry's ex wife? What did he do?

As for Rakhmonov, if he suggested it and if the UFC is going for it then the ball is Usman's court now. It's up to him if he accepts the match up or not as the UFC can't really force anybody to accept fights. The UFC could prolly 'convince' a fighter but what they could really do is limited. If a fighter doesn't want it, they can't do anything.

Is GM3 fighting this weekend or at the next one? This guy seems like he's always a decent bet as the underdog.

UFC Free Fight: Gerald Meerschaert vs Edmen Shahbazyan
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Quote from: pawel7777 on November 06, 2024, 05:30:54 PM

Quote from: TopTort777 on November 06, 2024, 04:32:58 AM

If Usman did not deserve to have that interim champ title fight, then he also does not deserve to be #2 of division after 3 straight losses Cheesy

That looks like an absurd; loosing and still be so highly ranked. And in case Usman losses for the fourth time, he will only become #3 in division. However Cheesy

With some UFC fighters, number of losses does not mean anything. How many losses in a row did Ferguson had before he has left top15 ? Btw, with a UFC record of 8 losses in a row, he is still counted as active fighter for UFC Cheesy

Let's be fair to the guy. He only lost to the champion, Leon Edwards. The loss to Chimaev should not count as it was a middleweight bout.
Before that, he was a dominant champion with 5 successful title defences.
I'm not a big fan of his, but we can't just discard his past successes because he had the balls to take the Chimaev fight on a very short notice in a higher-weight class (where he still performed pretty decently). He should be rewarded for that, not punished.
Plus, I can't see who would be more deserving of the number 2 spot. I could argue that maybe they should swap places with Shavkat, but that doesn't matter as Shavkat is getting his shot at the title anyway.

Maybe a more younger guy should deserve a #2 spot ? Cheesy

Anyone, any young blood will do. Or welterweight will turn into lightweight that is full of old guys in top Cheesy

Usman deserves a fight against Shavkat. Shavkat should face finally someone who is or was top of the top. But for Usmans future, I would better see him fighting few top15 low tier guys and retire. Dont want him to turn into guy who continue fighting and loosing to more younger and hungry guys.

If I am not mistaken, Ferguson won last time when Trump was a president, since he is a president again, Tony should get a win finally Cheesy

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Quote from: TopTort777 on November 06, 2024, 04:32:58 AM

If Usman did not deserve to have that interim champ title fight, then he also does not deserve to be #2 of division after 3 straight losses Cheesy

That looks like an absurd; loosing and still be so highly ranked. And in case Usman losses for the fourth time, he will only become #3 in division. However Cheesy

With some UFC fighters, number of losses does not mean anything. How many losses in a row did Ferguson had before he has left top15 ? Btw, with a UFC record of 8 losses in a row, he is still counted as active fighter for UFC Cheesy

Let's be fair to the guy. He only lost to the champion, Leon Edwards. The loss to Chimaev should not count as it was a middleweight bout.
Before that, he was a dominant champion with 5 successful title defences.
I'm not a big fan of his, but we can't just discard his past successes because he had the balls to take the Chimaev fight on a very short notice in a higher-weight class (where he still performed pretty decently). He should be rewarded for that, not punished.
Plus, I can't see who would be more deserving of the number 2 spot. I could argue that maybe they should swap places with Shavkat, but that doesn't matter as Shavkat is getting his shot at the title anyway.

Quote from: tokeweed on November 06, 2024, 07:26:11 AM

^ He's still one of the more popular guys in the UFC tho, so it makes sense to to go send him fight a tough, Kazakh bro to build Rakhmonov up and make him one of the more sought after commodities in the UFC. I think a lot of people would pay to watch him rather than Belal Muhammad imho.

This. Belal is still perceived as a boring fighter, so Usman could bring in more views.

Quote from: trendcoin on November 06, 2024, 01:25:18 PM

Dana White has consistently made positive comments about Jones. He says he is the best fighter who ever lived. (...)

He was singing a different song when Ngannou was still under the UFC contract. He changed the tune after they fell apart.

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Quote from: Hanadawa on November 06, 2024, 11:01:36 AM

Quote from: trendcoin on November 05, 2024, 12:40:16 PM

The main event of UFC 309 is a topic of discussion among UFC fans. The matchup between Jones and Miocic has been criticized. It seems pointless to match Jones against Miocic instead of Aspinall, the interim belt holder.

Yeah I wonder what Uncle Dana is thinking. I mean why would Dana decide to give Miocic the heavyweight belt fight? Guys if the reason is because Miocic is the GOAT in the heavyweight division I think his prime is over. I would 100% favor Jones to win that fight. I think it would make more sense if that fight was against Aspinall. If Jones wins then he deserves to be in the heavyweight hall of fame.

Dana White has consistently made positive comments about Jones. He says he is the best fighter who ever lived. Dana is known to be a fan of Jones. This is causing some rumors among UFC fans. Also, Jones said that the Miocic fight will be the last fight of his career. In the last fight of his career, he will fight a 42-year-old fighter like Miocic to eliminate the possibility of losing to someone like Aspinall.

By the way, yesterday I saw a picture of Dana with Elon and Trump. Can we say that Shara's problem of being able to fight in the US is now solved? :)

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Quote from: cabron on November 06, 2024, 11:14:57 AM

Quote from: tokeweed on November 06, 2024, 07:26:11 AM

^ He's still one of the more popular guys in the UFC tho, so it makes sense to to go send him fight a tough, Kazakh bro to build Rakhmonov up and make him one of the more sought after commodities in the UFC. I think a lot of people would pay to watch him rather than Belal Muhammad imho.

Nothing against Muhammad, it's just Rakhmonov as the champ would make 170 a hell lot more exciting. And I hope he gets to fight the Ian Garry guy and knocks him out cold. Lol.

Yep Justice for Garry's X wife.

Rakhmonov was actually the one suggesting Usman for the interim belt to save the 310. If the UFC approved it, it would still be a good fight. I doubt Usman would drop a huge stone on his toe just to duck Shav. Usman needs to fight with all his might else he goes down the hole.

It will still be a fight to come and Belal will still have to face Shavkat. Shavkat already suspected Belal deliberately posted that injury just recently but the rumor was that, that injury was weeks to months ago.

I'm not gonna lie, that was my first thought too, I thought Belal had deliberately prepared this.
Shavkat was preferred by the bookmakers for this match. I think Shavkat would dominate him, but I don't think Belal could take him to the ground and control him.
This match will happen one way or another, I think it should. Usman has consecutive losses, if he didn't deserve this fight, it would be a good match.

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Quote from: tokeweed on November 06, 2024, 07:26:11 AM

^ He's still one of the more popular guys in the UFC tho, so it makes sense to to go send him fight a tough, Kazakh bro to build Rakhmonov up and make him one of the more sought after commodities in the UFC. I think a lot of people would pay to watch him rather than Belal Muhammad imho.

Nothing against Muhammad, it's just Rakhmonov as the champ would make 170 a hell lot more exciting. And I hope he gets to fight the Ian Garry guy and knocks him out cold. Lol.

Yep Justice for Garry's X wife.

Rakhmonov was actually the one suggesting Usman for the interim belt to save the 310. If the UFC approved it, it would still be a good fight. I doubt Usman would drop a huge stone on his toe just to duck Shav. Usman needs to fight with all his might else he goes down the hole.

It will still be a fight to come and Belal will still have to face Shavkat. Shavkat already suspected Belal deliberately posted that injury just recently but the rumor was that, that injury was weeks to months ago.

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Quote from: trendcoin on November 05, 2024, 12:40:16 PM

Li Jingliang is 183 cm tall. I thought he was shorter (Khamzat misled me by making him look too easy, I am not mistaken, Khamzat is faulty. :b). It won't be easy for him to drop down to a lower weight class. You're right about the irony, he'd have to cut off his arm to do that...

I think a fighter like Li Jingliang would be best suited to play at Welterweight or Middleweight, like Khamzat did. With a body like Jinliang it would be hard for him to fight even at Lightweight instead of wanting to go down to Bantamweight or below. So I don't think Jingliang would decide to go down a division because it would be almost impossible to do.

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The main event of UFC 309 is a topic of discussion among UFC fans. The matchup between Jones and Miocic has been criticized. It seems pointless to match Jones against Miocic instead of Aspinall, the interim belt holder.

Yeah I wonder what Uncle Dana is thinking. I mean why would Dana decide to give Miocic the heavyweight belt fight? Guys if the reason is because Miocic is the GOAT in the heavyweight division I think his prime is over. I would 100% favor Jones to win that fight. I think it would make more sense if that fight was against Aspinall. If Jones wins then he deserves to be in the heavyweight hall of fame.

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^ He's still one of the more popular guys in the UFC tho, so it makes sense to to go send him fight a tough, Kazakh bro to build Rakhmonov up and make him one of the more sought after commodities in the UFC. I think a lot of people would pay to watch him rather than Belal Muhammad imho.

Nothing against Muhammad, it's just Rakhmonov as the champ would make 170 a hell lot more exciting. And I hope he gets to fight the Ian Garry guy and knocks him out cold. Lol.

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If Usman did not deserve to have that interim champ title fight, then he also does not deserve to be #2 of division after 3 straight losses Cheesy

That looks like an absurd; loosing and still be so highly ranked. And in case Usman losses for the fourth time, he will only become #3 in division. However Cheesy

With some UFC fighters, number of losses does not mean anything. How many losses in a row did Ferguson had before he has left top15 ? Btw, with a UFC record of 8 losses in a row, he is still counted as active fighter for UFC Cheesy

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Quote from: cabron on November 05, 2024, 12:08:50 PM

People expect Shavkat and he too expects to fight for the title. It would be unfair to wait for Belal til his injury heals which would take a month or two plus Ramadan which is also another month. An interim would be cool, I'd like to see Shavkat fight but maybe Edwards or JDM. Usman already lost his last 3 fights, I'm sure he doesn't want another. The Shavkat vs Belal fight can still happen next year.

Ramadan starts 28 Feb and lasts one month, so potentially they could fight before then.
And yeah, I don't see how Shavkat fighting for the interim belt would be unfair to anyone. It's Belal who is unable to fight. If anything, it would be unfair to make Shavkat wait for his next payday for ~2 more months if not more. And it's not like Belal will be stripped of his belt or anything.

I like the idea of Shavkat fighting Usman, provided Usman agrees and will be ready by then. Some say Kamaru is not deserving because he lost his last 3 fights, but he only lost to Edwards, once by KO and the second time by decision (in an even fight), and to Chimaev, who now is one of the most feared fighters in the UFC. In that last fight, he fought on a very short notice and moved up to a higher weight class and still did surprisingly well, so it'd be fair to give him a chance.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on November 05, 2024, 09:02:09 AM

Quote from: trendcoin on November 04, 2024, 01:57:36 PM

I think Jingliang should drop down to a lower weight class. He struggled in a similar way in the Khamzat fight. Not everyone can be like Mike Tyson (including me :b). He can have better fights at the lower weights. Flyweight or bantamweight might be better for him.

Li Jingliang, that the guy who Chimaev lifted like a toy, took the fence and chocked while talking to Dana :D That was at "officially" 77kg, somebody wants him to go down to bantamweight, which is 61kg max :D Or even flyweight which is 57kg? How this would be possible? By cutting one arm off?
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Li Jingliang is 183 cm tall. I thought he was shorter (Khamzat misled me by making him look too easy, I am not mistaken, Khamzat is faulty. :b). It won't be easy for him to drop down to a lower weight class. You're right about the irony, he'd have to cut off his arm to do that... :)

The main event of UFC 309 is a topic of discussion among UFC fans. The matchup between Jones and Miocic has been criticized. It seems pointless to match Jones against Miocic instead of Aspinall, the interim belt holder.

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People expect Shavkat and he too expects to fight for the title. It would be unfair to wait for Belal til his injury heals which would take a month or two plus Ramadan which is also another month. An interim would be cool, I'd like to see Shavkat fight but maybe Edwards or JDM. Usman already lost his last 3 fights, I'm sure he doesn't want another. The Shavkat vs Belal fight can still happen next year.

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Quote from: trendcoin on November 04, 2024, 01:57:36 PM

I think Jingliang should drop down to a lower weight class. He struggled in a similar way in the Khamzat fight. Not everyone can be like Mike Tyson (including me :b). He can have better fights at the lower weights. Flyweight or bantamweight might be better for him.

Li Jingliang, that the guy who Chimaev lifted like a toy, took the fence and chocked while talking to Dana Cheesy

That was at "officially" 77kg, somebody wants him to go down to bantamweight, which is 61kg max Cheesy

Or even flyweight which is 57kg? How this would be possible? By cutting one arm off? Because Jingliang is height, when this division require speedy battle dwarfs. There is one unique tall and light guy, O'Malley. Got declassed by stamina dwarf from Georgia. Jinglians is 36, his metabolism starts to slow down. It will be harder for him to cut without loosing advantage in stamina or health issues. He should do opposite, gain weight if he wishes to continue. Its either young light and quick, or elder slow and heavy. Everything what is between is meat for making mma record Cheesy

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Quote from: TopTort777 on November 04, 2024, 07:17:49 AM

Next event is such a filler event (except de Ridder fight - this is guy is former One FC two weight class champ), that I would rather speculate whos going to be Shavhat next opponent. Shavkat says he is ready to fight anyway for interim belt. Belal says that he is off for 6 weeks only and hints that maybe they should reschedule their fight, instead of fighting someone else, or he trolls Shavkat about interim title, when he is off only for weeks, not months.

I think for our sakes as guys who just want to see Rakhmonov throw leather in the cage, it would be nice to have another opponent for an interim championship scrap. Pretty sure Rakhmonov would love it and both Usman and Edwards would love to get another crack at it too.

But yeah, we'll see what the UFC has in store for us.

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Quote from: tokeweed on November 04, 2024, 07:04:32 AM

^ Not really a good event but if you guys wanna watch a good beating then Magny vs Prates is def for you. Lol. Watch Prates last match, I think it was against Radtke who's also gonna fight in the same event. Cheesy

The UFC knows what their doing by pitting him against somewhat a known commodity in Magny. They need to prop up this guy Prates as he's really decent. His next fight after winning this one tho... Pretty sure he'll be matched up against somebody really good. Hopefully the bookies keep lining him up as the huge favorite. Wink

Here's a replay...

UFC Free Fight: Carlos Prates vs Li Jingliang
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoJBn7Y6mIU

I want to put a parenthesis to your message. I think Jingliang should drop down to a lower weight class. He struggled in a similar way in the Khamzat fight. Not everyone can be like Mike Tyson (including me :b). He can have better fights at the lower weights. Flyweight or bantamweight might be better for him.

Rofl. Li Jingliang at flyweight... Like he'd be dead from dehydration. Cheesy

Here's a free fight of Magny.

UFC Free Fight: Neil Magny vs Mike Malott
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rkP0Ss4fVQ

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