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Quote from: l99l on October 27, 2024, 11:59:43 AM

It was a nice fun night, it was one of the cards I liked. Good matches were chosen, the only match I got bored of was the Magomed Ankalaev match, I doubt they will set him up for a belt match.
They can make me wait a bit. İbo Aslan was the opening match of the main card, we started the night well with a great knockout.
Then I saw a finish I hadn't seen before, an interesting finish from Sara with a double spinning backfist.
Whittaker and Max Holloway made me a little upset, but I knew it would happen. I took a little risk for Max Holloway, it wasn't that important, it was just a meal Cheesy

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Khamzat is a real bear stranglehold, I'm sure he'll go much higher.

They say Whittaker's jaw was badly damaged. It doesn't look like he has a chance; if he stayed up, he would be ragdolled.
Topuria is real. He seems not sweating at all while Holloway is already running out of breath even in the 2nd round. He has to throw kicks and jabs otherwise Topuria could draw close to him which can easily swing. Yep he did what he promised to KO Holloway.

I wonder if those who added Holloway to their parlay cashed out when they saw Holloway struggle to fight. It was tempting, but holding on to it is indeed a bad decision.

Yup! And to think that Holloway has one of the better cardios in the UFC. It was Topuria's relentless pressure not giving Holloway any space. But at his age in 145, it could also be the weight cut. It could be draining him now.

As for Whittaker, they say that his teeth moved to different places... Oof.

Here's the next event.

Date: Saturday, Nov 2
Main Card (ESPN/ESPN+): 8:00pm EST
Preliminary Card (ESPN/ESPN+): 5:00pm EST
Venue: Rogers Place, Edmonton, Alberta

Main Card (PPV)
Brandon Moreno vs Amir Albazi
Erin Blanchfield vs Rose Namajunas
Derrick Lewis vs Jhonata Diniz
Caio Machado vs Brendson Ribeiro
Marc-Andre Barriault vs Dustin Stoltzfus
Mike Malott vs Trevin Giles

Preliminary Card (ESPN/ESPN+)
Aiemann Zahabi vs Pedro Munhoz
Ariane da Silva vs Jasmine Jasudavicius
Charles Jourdain vs Victor Henry
Jack Shore vs Youssef Zalal
Alexander Romanov vs Rodrigo Nascimento
Serhiy Sidey vs Garrett Armfield
Chad Anheliger vs Cody Gibson
Jamey-Lyn Horth vs Ivana Petrovic

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Quote from: tokeweed on October 27, 2024, 08:33:14 AM

So with that, what's the UFC gonna do? I think they should match up Chim with DDP for DDP's next title defense instead of the rematch vs Sean Strickland.

I am really interested now about the future of Ankalaev. He was promised to have a title fight against Pereira if he shows a good performance against Rakic. With that, I think Dana expected a knockout or a submission. But we got UD. In fact, Rakic took the first round. I really wonder if such performance was enough for Ankalaev, or he would be tested against, with Prochazka for example. Btw, Jiri and Magomed are both on #1 place in LH. A bug or such situation is possible?

I think Ankalaev is still gonna get it just because there's no one else. And the main draw is Pereira which is an easy sell. They could even do it in Brazil.

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Quote from: pawel7777 on October 26, 2024, 05:26:39 AM

I'm not surprised. To have this many successful fighters for a country with a population of less than 4 million is really something unusual. I'll be guessing that wrestling (and maybe other martial arts) must be quite popular there, similar to how it is in Dagestan. It can't be just a coincidence.

We and Dagestanis are both Caucasians, centuries ago we were the same but many wars have happened during centuries that caused a separation. Our men are genetically strong and we also grow up in an environment where you have to be physically strong to not get bullied. People are getting more soft these days but when I was growing up, crime mentality and violence were more common.

Merab Dvalishvili made Sean O'Malley look normal and Ilia Topuria also made Max Holloway look normal. I don't watch UFC but from the reviews and videos that I saw of Max Holloway, I was expecting a good resistance from him but Topuria was dominating him. I can say the same about Sean. Both Sean and Max were frozen in front of these fighters.

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Quote from: tokeweed on October 27, 2024, 08:33:14 AM

So with that, what's the UFC gonna do? I think they should match up Chim with DDP for DDP's next title defense instead of the rematch vs Sean Strickland.

I am really interested now about the future of Ankalaev. He was promised to have a title fight against Pereira if he shows a good performance against Rakic. With that, I think Dana expected a knockout or a submission. But we got UD. In fact, Rakic took the first round. I really wonder if such performance was enough for Ankalaev, or he would be tested against, with Prochazka for example. Btw, Jiri and Magomed are both on #1 place in LH. A bug or such situation is possible?

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Quote from: l99l on October 27, 2024, 11:59:43 AM

It was a nice fun night, it was one of the cards I liked. Good matches were chosen, the only match I got bored of was the Magomed Ankalaev match, I doubt they will set him up for a belt match.
They can make me wait a bit. İbo Aslan was the opening match of the main card, we started the night well with a great knockout.
Then I saw a finish I hadn't seen before, an interesting finish from Sara with a double spinning backfist.
Whittaker and Max Holloway made me a little upset, but I knew it would happen. I took a little risk for Max Holloway, it wasn't that important, it was just a meal Cheesy

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Khamzat is a real bear stranglehold, I'm sure he'll go much higher.

They say Whittaker's jaw was badly damaged. It doesn't look like he has a chance; if he stayed up, he would be ragdolled.
Topuria is real. He seems not sweating at all while Holloway is already running out of breath even in the 2nd round. He has to throw kicks and jabs otherwise Topuria could draw close to him which can easily swing. Yep he did what he promised to KO Holloway.

I wonder if those who added Holloway to their parlay cashed out when they saw Holloway struggle to fight. It was tempting, but holding on to it is indeed a bad decision.

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It was a nice fun night, it was one of the cards I liked. Good matches were chosen, the only match I got bored of was the Magomed Ankalaev match, I doubt they will set him up for a belt match.
They can make me wait a bit. İbo Aslan was the opening match of the main card, we started the night well with a great knockout.
Then I saw a finish I hadn't seen before, an interesting finish from Sara with a double spinning backfist.
Whittaker and Max Holloway made me a little upset, but I knew it would happen. I took a little risk for Max Holloway, it wasn't that important, it was just a meal Cheesy

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Khamzat is a real bear stranglehold, I'm sure he'll go much higher.

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^ I expected to see something way better from Whittaker tbh, esp after how Chim has fought against those ones like Usman and Burns. I mean I'm not saying Chim was surely gonna lose, it's just I didn't expect it to be so easy. Lmao...

So with that, what's the UFC gonna do? I think they should match up Chim with DDP for DDP's next title defense instead of the rematch vs Sean Strickland.

And yeah... Topuria looked really good.

UFC 308: Post Fight Press Conference
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Nice event. Co-main event result was rather expected, take down and control from very start of the fight. I am not even sure that Whittaker managed to throw something. And his injury was really nasty. Cant even imagine if there is an easy approach to fix his jaw/teeth. He is out for a very long period, as one thing is wheb you are out but can do most of functions, the other is when it is hard to eat snd you have low energy all the time.

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No surprises at all in the UFC 308. What an entertaining event it was. The main card results are as follow:

I expected Topuria to win but thought it would be by decision or on the ground (submission/ground and pound TKO etc), but he has proven again that his striking skills are of the highest level as he did to Max what Max did to Gaethje.

Khamzat - flawless performance. Robert was not even a match for him. I don't think there's anyone in the middleweight who could stop him from reaching for the belt.

Ankalaev - a win by decision, but as Dan Cormier pointed out, he doesn't tend to go for takedowns at all in his fights. Despite his wrestling/sambo background, he might not be as good a wrestler as many of us thought. If he's matched with Pereira for the title shot (as he should) I think he'd get his ass kicked by Alex.

Shara - never fails to entertain. This might be the first time we've seen a KO by a double backfist.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on October 25, 2024, 09:18:40 AM

Better consider betting starting from "Topuria wont KO Holloway" kind of prediction Cheesy

He will either win by submission, or by points. I would give a 60% probability that such thing will happen, 30% that Max will win by points, and 10% that it will be one punch KO like against Gaethji Cheesy

I'm just gambling small on the value of the number, I'm not really doing it because I think it's gonna happen. I'm just thinking if it does happen then I get value from my small bets on Holloway to win at R4 at 28.00 or at R5 at 35.00. Lol.

And if it does go to R4 and R5, it makes it a little bit exciting for me even if the bet is small. Grin

But yeah, I have those bets and my full card degen parlay.

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That was Mokaev in disguise Grin

But seriously, if that guy makes it, we'll see multiple guys like that begging for contracts in every press conference.

Quote from: tokeweed on October 25, 2024, 07:24:38 AM

It's the wrestling that matters imho. If Topuria takes down Holloway from the first round to the last and actually controls him on the ground then it's gonna be hell for Holloway. But Holloway has good TD defense, but then again that stat is because he hasn't fought that many pure wrestlers. So we'll see...

If Topuria's strategy is to take it to the ground, it'll be just a matter of time. Max won't be able to defend all the takedowns. Topuria looked really impressive against Bryce Mitchell, who then was 15-0 and was known for his good wrestling and submission skills, but got rag-dolled and submitted by Ilia. I don't expect Max to do much better on the ground.

The problem is that Topuria keeps announcing he will go into a striking exchange with Max and KO him. It could be a bluff rather than an actual strategy, but who knows.

Yup... Can't really disagree there. But I'm hopeful it's mostly on the feet and it goes beyond R3. Lol.

Quote from: shield132 on October 26, 2024, 04:50:56 AM

I don't watch UFC but this sport is getting very popular in my country, thanks to Ilia Topuria, Merab Dvalishvili and Roman Dolidze. There is such a big hype on this fight locally that I had to watch interviews and press conferences. We definitely want Ilia Topuria to win but Max Holloway is a great guy too. Max Holloway has many supporters locally, one journalist told it to him and he said that he loves Georgian supporters and knows that since Ilia is Georgian, they won't support Max Holloway in this fight but it's okay for him and he still loves Georgian people. He is a nice person. I can't wait to watch this fight.

You should start watching it now... If you have any questions just ask away.

UFC 308: Fighter Face Off
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Quote from: danherbias07 on October 26, 2024, 02:37:23 AM

What do you think guys? That's a sweet offer, right? It's not like Max is a weak fighter, he just came out from a win against one of the strongest fighters in the UFC Justin Gaethje. That fight also gathered a lot of records like being the best MMA fight and knockout of the year.
I think the hard part of winning that promo is Max winning in the first 2 rounds by knockout or other means. But I guess that's what makes it more exciting so I will take it.

Doesn't this create an arbitrage opportunity? i.e. you could bet on Holloway for the double-winnings bonus and bet on Topuria either in a separate bet or on different platform (assuming Stake would not allow internal arbitrage). The max winning is only $100 though, so not much money to be made.

Quote from: shield132 on October 26, 2024, 04:50:56 AM

I don't watch UFC but this sport is getting very popular in my country, thanks to Ilia Topuria, Merab Dvalishvili and Roman Dolidze. There is such a big hype on this fight locally that I had to watch interviews and press conferences. We definitely want Ilia Topuria to win but Max Holloway is a great guy too. Max Holloway has many supporters locally, one journalist told it to him and he said that he loves Georgian supporters and knows that since Ilia is Georgian, they won't support Max Holloway in this fight but it's okay for him and he still loves Georgian people. He is a nice person. I can't wait to watch this fight.

I'm not surprised. To have this many successful fighters for a country with a population of less than 4 million is really something unusual. I'll be guessing that wrestling (and maybe other martial arts) must be quite popular there, similar to how it is in Dagestan. It can't be just a coincidence.

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I don't watch UFC but this sport is getting very popular in my country, thanks to Ilia Topuria, Merab Dvalishvili and Roman Dolidze. There is such a big hype on this fight locally that I had to watch interviews and press conferences. We definitely want Ilia Topuria to win but Max Holloway is a great guy too. Max Holloway has many supporters locally, one journalist told it to him and he said that he loves Georgian supporters and knows that since Ilia is Georgian, they won't support Max Holloway in this fight but it's okay for him and he still loves Georgian people. He is a nice person. I can't wait to watch this fight.

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I told the other thread that I would be betting for the favorite in the co-main event and the main event but something came out that may have changed my mind. Cheesy

https://stake.games/promotions/promotion/max-holloway-double-winnings

What do you think guys? That's a sweet offer, right? It's not like Max is a weak fighter, he just came out from a win against one of the strongest fighters in the UFC Justin Gaethje. That fight also gathered a lot of records like being the best MMA fight and knockout of the year.
I think the hard part of winning that promo is Max winning in the first 2 rounds by knockout or other means. But I guess that's what makes it more exciting so I will take it.

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Previously Michel Pereira had pretty good 8-win streak but on the other hand Anthony Hernandez also had 5-win streak, Michel Pereira advantage lies in his experience and his strong kicks and locks.
Hernandez who has background in Muay Thai and wrestling can have longer endurance with more guaranteed power performance, but I predict Michel Pereira can win by KO even though in the end it all ended with an unexpected surprise where Hernandez got the win by KO.
This was really unexpected and Michel Pereira had to accept defeat after series of wins that he had achieved.

But was it all 'unexpected' tho..? If you watched the match, it ended in one of the possibilities we discussed. That if Hernandez could take Pereira down then Pereira will be in all kinds of trouble. Hernandez could win via SUB or ground and pound him to oblivion... And he did and won via ground and pound. The guy is no joke.

Yeah I saw it and it was really unexpected, just look at Pereira putting some pressure in some punch combinations and also knees to Hernandez body but anyway in the 3rd round Hernandez indeed gave several dings which were followed by submission attempts and ground and pound, this was quite surprising because it looked like Pereira was really helpless.
You are right that Hernandez was not playing around and he was on top of Pereira with some pretty hard elbows to the face causing the fight to be stopped it was an embarrassing defeat for Pereira.

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This is how the start is born. This is what follow to your dream looks like. The guy flew to UFC, found Dana attention and asked for a contract. https://www.tapology.com/fightcenter/fighters/174724-dorobshokh-nabotov This is this guys profile. There is a continuation of this story. Chan Sung Jung (Korean Zombie) is organizing contender series for UFC in Korea on YouTube. Dana made this Nabotov have a fight there, and if wins, he will get UFC contract. Hope that Nabotovs dream finally comes true.

That was Mokaev in disguise Grin

But seriously, if that guy makes it, we'll see multiple guys like that begging for contracts in every press conference.

Quote from: tokeweed on October 25, 2024, 07:24:38 AM

It's the wrestling that matters imho. If Topuria takes down Holloway from the first round to the last and actually controls him on the ground then it's gonna be hell for Holloway. But Holloway has good TD defense, but then again that stat is because he hasn't fought that many pure wrestlers. So we'll see...

If Topuria's strategy is to take it to the ground, it'll be just a matter of time. Max won't be able to defend all the takedowns. Topuria looked really impressive against Bryce Mitchell, who then was 15-0 and was known for his good wrestling and submission skills, but got rag-dolled and submitted by Ilia. I don't expect Max to do much better on the ground.

The problem is that Topuria keeps announcing he will go into a striking exchange with Max and KO him. It could be a bluff rather than an actual strategy, but who knows.

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Better consider betting starting from "Topuria wont KO Holloway" kind of prediction Cheesy

He will either win by submission, or by points. I would give a 60% probability that such thing will happen, 30% that Max will win by points, and 10% that it will be one punch KO like against Gaethji Cheesy

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Quote from: TopTort777 on October 24, 2024, 08:19:45 AM

But Ortega is super-duper-cool in bjj. Ortegas bjj > Topurias bjj Cheesy

But fortune telling and math does not work for mma Cheesy

Anyway, my gaze will be riveted to Whittaker vs Chimaev and Ankalaev vs Rakic fights more than to main event. First of all, this is another great test for Chimaev who promised to KILLEVIRIBADI! Because there are lots of theories in media appears, that he fights only in UEA because sheiks helps him to win, and drops the fight as soon as a decent opponent appears. And Ankalaev vs Rakis will decide the future of Ankalaev. Will there be another title fight (and a loss:D) against Pereira, or he will be always second after the king Cheesy

It's the wrestling that matters imho. If Topuria takes down Holloway from the first round to the last and actually controls him on the ground then it's gonna be hell for Holloway. But Holloway has good TD defense, but then again that stat is because he hasn't fought that many pure wrestlers. So we'll see...

And for those guys who think Holloway is gonna finish Topuria, I'm not saying it can't happen.. Just saying it's hard. But if he does it, it will prolly be in R4 or R5 as Holloway likes to start slow then he builds up momentum as the fight goes. Holloway to win at R4 is at 28.00 and at R5 is at 35.00... I might put 10 bucks at each of those. Grin

Live weigh ins started 4 hours ago? Wtf... Early.

UFC 308: Live Weigh In
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Ceremonial weigh ins in 90 mins or so...

UFC 308: Ceremonial Weigh In
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Quote from: TopTort777 on October 24, 2024, 06:46:18 AM

The way I see current situation. Topuria surprised everyone when he knocked out Volk and got his first p4p level skull. Many expected him to win, probably by decision. But that is only one huge win, and people now talk like he one of the best strikers and speculate how he is going knock out his next opponent. Imho people lover level of Holloway and have to high expectations from Topuria performance.

I dont agree with "Topuria x1.37 vs Holloway x3.10" odds. Max is to much of an underdog here. That 3+ means he has no chances. Look at Topuria opponents, and Max. Max hasnt been knocked out by prime Poirier, Volk. Oliveira did not choke him, Ortega failed to do that either. That x3.10 truly looks like a mistype of x2.10 Cheesy

And extra +1 is sort of an early Xmas present.

Volk shouldn't have taken fight against Islam the second time because he was very unprepared and he was also unprepared against Topuria because this fight was also scheduled very soon for him. He lost 2 fights for his stupid decision and I believe these two loses significantly affected him mentally.

I also think that "Topuria x1.37 vs Holloway x3.10" odds are very unfair. I don't know why bookmakers think that Holloway has such a low chance of winning, that's strange. I will risk today and make a bet on Holloway, I think that I can be lucky and win this bet. To be frank, I think that Topuria has a higher chance of winning in this fight but to my mind, it's 51%-49% (49% for Holloway).

I'll risk and my prediction will be: Holloway wins.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on October 24, 2024, 06:46:18 AM

I dont agree with "Topuria x1.37 vs Holloway x3.10" odds. Max is to much of an underdog here. That 3+ means he has no chances. Look at Topuria opponents, and Max. Max hasnt been knocked out by prime Poirier, Volk. Oliveira did not choke him, Ortega failed to do that either. That x3.10 truly looks like a mistype of x2.10 Cheesy

And extra +1 is sort of an early Xmas present.

There's no doubt Max is a better striker and if Topuria gets dragged into a striking match, he'll most likely lose. But Max hasn't really faced anyone with solid wrestling skills. I suppose Volk would be the closest thing to a wrestler he's encountered. In the UFC 251 Volk managed to shift the win in his favour by taking Max down multiple times quite easily.

Regarding Oliveira and Ortega - both are good in jiu-jitsu and submissions but that style does not emphasise on takedowns like the wrestling does. Plus, Max fought Oliveira in 2015, so that was the weak part of Charles' career when he was losing a lot of fights.

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Quote from: tokeweed on October 24, 2024, 07:30:18 AM

^ It's value for sure but I'm not as confident as the one with Royval vs Taira. And I don't many people thought Topuria could win that match, they prolly were thinking he had a chance tho. It reflected in the odds as Volk was the slight favorite.

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^ The bookies are giving nice odds for Holloway which is very tempting. If Holloway could keep his distance from Topuria same as Volk did in R1 of their match then Holloway could win with the volume upside.

Yup. The odds for Holloway are more than decent. But I wouldn't put my money on him in that fight. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think Max has ever faced a really good grappler before.

He fought Brian Ortega back in 2018... But Ortega doesn't have the kind of wrestling that Topuria has so we can't really compare the two. Again if Holloway doesn't get too near Topuria for most of the time they're in the cage, he could win it.

Press conference is in 12 hours... This gonna be good. Wink

I like Holoway on the mic and there's Chimaev who's cringe and hilarious at the same time. Lolol.

UFC 308: Pre Fight Press Conference
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What I think Holloway needs is constant head movement. He is fighting a better boxer and what Topuria needs is just to find a way to get closer and hit the right spot. Holloway can utilize his height and reach advantage in this fight, he can lean back and he can already create a huge space between them.

Volk was doing good fighting Topuria until he stopped his head movement. Holloway can avoid getting KO'd by head movement and if he can avoid getting KO'd for several rounds, he'll frustrate Topuria when disappointment in claiming he is the first to KO Holloway sets in.

People are split in this Holloway vs Topuria fight really. This is because Topuria is just too good as well with accuracy and timing.

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