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Quote from: HajiBagi on October 25, 2024, 02:42:16 PM

If Vincent Kompany continues with what he did against Barcelona in the remaining games Bayern Munich is going to play then I don't expect Bayern Munich to win the match because those players he used in the game performance are very bad, Bayern Munich is the ones that give Barcelona a chance to win the match, Bayern Munich players are just looking at Barcelona player's passing the ball like Barcelona is playing against small boys, Kompany should talk if he can't handle Bayern Munich because it looks like Bayern Munich is about to lose the hope of winning the title League this season.

Maybe or maybe not but there was a logic behind what he did just that the defence wasn't good enough I don't know why they all have to give open margin at a time...if the game turned out to be 2-1 with Bayern leading and let's say the first half ends with 2-1 then the game could have changed drastically with the players brought in by Bayern in second half though barca also has player to counter it but the game could have been a very hard one and maybe 2-1 or 2-2 because the real game started when the game changed somehow when the players were brought in but Barca already got their point and they defend more.
Thus even at that moment, to show that the defence is somehow weak.... there was a chance that was missed by lewy around 80+ mins I think (I had no idea how olmo and lewy were able to get through the defence so easily even though they weren't lucky to score it). My point is that the coach also had a logic behind his game even though he was unlucky.... u guess experience matters too sometimes

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Quote from: Frankolala on October 25, 2024, 02:15:46 AM

Bayern defense is weak, and vulnerable to counter attack which was what Barcelona noticed, and used it against them to score easily. A good coach will study his opponent weaknesses, and look for a way to use it as an advantage over them. Kompany has the attacking force and midfield but he does not have a good defense, therefore, any good player that break through their midfield to their defense will have a high chance of scoring. This was Barcelona why used long ball to counter them, and it worked out for them having Raphina a good finisher. It's not about dancing around with the ball and being in possession of the ball, but by goals.

They have a whole lot to do around the defense line especially when participating in the champions League as Bayern Munich cannot use the bundesliga mentality to handle the champions League games same way and expect to get good results because it's different levels of competition which I expect them to know actually so kompany still have some assignments to take care of after all. Barcelona has a really brilliant rhythm which I initially doubted untill they brought same energy to the champions League and their was a mind shift for me as it regards their prowess.

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Quote from: BitcoinHunt3r on October 25, 2024, 04:32:16 PM

Yeah, Bayern Munich has played 3 matches in the Champions League and they have been defeated 2 times so it's not wrong if we say that Bayern Munich is a weak team in the Champions League for these 2 defeats, maybe we understand they lose against Barcelona because Barcelona is a strong team at the moment but lost against Aston Villa could not be a reason. Bayern Munich still has the opportunity to catch up because there are still 5 matches well let's wait for what they will do.

I wouldn't be writing Bayern off just yet. They still have 5 games to play in the league stage and they only need to finish in the top 24 to advance to the next stage (or in the top 8 if they want to avoid play offs) and they currently are 23rd.
Yup, they've lost 2 out of the 3 games but we have to consider that Barcelona is in their top form and Aston Villa is a strong team, currently placed 4th in the Premier League with the same number of points as Arsenal and are 1st in the UCL table.

Their next 5 games in the UCL are:
Benfica (H)
PSG (H)
Shakhtar Donetsk (A)
Feyenoord (A)
Slovan Bratislava (H)

They should get a minimum of 10 points there, which should be more than enough to advance to the next stage.

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Quote from: BITCOIN4X on October 25, 2024, 04:38:58 PM

Of course, Hansi Flick is the coach who has brought changes to Barcelona this season even though I can't just forget about Xavi. Xavi also played a very important role in orbiting many young talents from the La Masia academy, namely Lamine Yamal and several other players who are currently in the main squad.

In fact, Hansi Flick is just continuing the team's tradition of optimizing La Masia players, which was also done by the previous coaches even though they demanded to bring in several new ones. Hansi Flick has several new players in his squad this season, namely Dani Olmo, Pau Victor and Szczesny. Now, if Barcelona can beat Real Madrid in the upcoming El Clasico, then they will really be the favorites to win the La Liga title this season.

I think Barcelona fans still need to pay tribute to Xavi for been part of the rebuild, the condition he meet Barcelona in financially will definitely be difficult for any manager to survive in, his switch from actually using the old and the Free agents that Barcelona were signing was the turn of events for he was heavily criticized for actually giving preference to the la Masia graduates then than other players which I will say today has save the club lots of money from buying this talents they have today. But his departure was justified as I believe that even after rebuild he wasn’t the manager to actually take them afar because this next step needed someone with experience and Aura to instill confidence into the team and that’s exactly what Hansi Flick has done.

The game between them both with Real Madrid even though it doesn’t actually means the winner will be the winner of the legaue at the end but with the current form of them both the winner most especially if it is Barcelona will help give them boost that they can go a long way to win everything and for Real Madrid they can simply reignite their title challenge back again because they will be level on points and go top of the league with a head to head win been used

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Quote from: iamsange on October 25, 2024, 04:40:19 PM

Everyone can judge like that now from the results of the matches that have occurred, but for more accurate proof to each coach is when they can achieve one of the champions this season, especially if they are able to win the Champions League which still looks quite fierce competition this season. Besides that, I also want to see how Barcelona faces other big teams in the domestic competition this week because the ones they will face are also big teams and are also quite strong in the Champions League this season.

The journey to become a champion is still quite far because there are many matches they have to play. But so far Barcelona has performed quite well and they deserve praise by being able to beat Bayern Munich with a big score. It does not mean that by successfully defeating Bayern Munich they will be favored to become champions.

Of course the next step that there are still many teams that they have to beat in order to improve their mentality to become champions. Teams from other leagues also performed quite well such as Manchester City and Liverpool. So let's just wait, how Hansi Flick performs in the Champions League this season. Can Hansi Flick focus his best strategy in the Champions League and domestic leagues.

For every coach, of course their big target is to bring their team to become champions, especially in the Champions League, because it will improve their career to be even greater by bringing their team to become champions.

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Quote from: skarais on October 25, 2024, 02:21:28 PM

Barcelona's performance in that match was certainly very surprising, and I personally never thought they could score goals and win big like that. It was an extraordinary night for the players, especially Raphinha who scored a hat-trick in that match, but Lewandowski also really celebrated the victory even though he was not prepared to celebrate when he scored against his former team.

Lewandowski loves Barcelona and he's enjoying it being a Barcelona player. I won't be angry with him if he celebrate the goals being scored against his former club as for years Bayern Munich has tormented Barcelona's that many of their fans don't watch any game that they're playing against Bayern Munich. With this win some fans say it has cured all the pains that they have had against Bayern Munich. The current Barcelona's squad are exciting and fun to watch as they play very good football. Barcelona is still going to win Bayern Munich if they get to play again as the coach of Bayern Munich is a very young one without any experience in big games.

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Quote from: Mame89 on October 25, 2024, 03:18:38 PM

What is happening with Barcelona right now cannot be separated from the cool hand of Hansi Flick, even though with young players he managed to make Barcelona sharp again. On the other hand, Bayern Munich, who has a mature squad in the Champions League, could not do much when coached by a coach like Kompany. It can be said that this match is actually a match of the performance of the coaches, and Hansi Flick managed to prove in this match that he is indeed a great coach.

Everyone can judge like that now from the results of the matches that have occurred, but for more accurate proof to each coach is when they can achieve one of the champions this season, especially if they are able to win the Champions League which still looks quite fierce competition this season. Besides that, I also want to see how Barcelona faces other big teams in the domestic competition this week because the ones they will face are also big teams and are also quite strong in the Champions League this season.

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Quote from: BitcoinHunt3r on October 25, 2024, 04:32:16 PM

Yeah, Bayern Munich has played 3 matches in the Champions League and they have been defeated 2 times so it's not wrong if we say that Bayern Munich is a weak team in the Champions League for these 2 defeats, maybe we understand they lose against Barcelona because Barcelona is a strong team at the moment but lost against Aston Villa could not be a reason. Bayern Munich still has the opportunity to catch up because there are still 5 matches well let's wait for what they will do.

This will be a difficult situation for Kompany because apart from the league phase in the Champions League does slightly make their dominance constrained, in this case it seems Kompany is also still unable to focus on several competitions carried out and can only focus on one of the many competitions undertaken.

We can see that for now they are still very superior in the Bundesliga but for the Champions League it seems like this is a bad season where when we compare this season and previous seasons, the difference is quite significant where the beginning of the season they have lost 2 times which even they never felt this kind of defeat in past seasons in the Champions League.

Kompany must try more now because although there are still many matches left to be done but with conditions like this of course there will be more pressure especially the results of these 2 defeats make them unable to get out of a comfortable position in the standings.

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What is happening with Barcelona right now cannot be separated from the cool hand of Hansi Flick, even though with young players he managed to make Barcelona sharp again. On the other hand, Bayern Munich, who has a mature squad in the Champions League, could not do much when coached by a coach like Kompany. It can be said that this match is actually a match of the performance of the coaches, and Hansi Flick managed to prove in this match that he is indeed a great coach.

He who gives wounds, he also heals, that's Hansi Flick. In the past when he was still coaching Bayer Munich, he managed to humiliate Barcelona with a score of 2-8, and now when he became Barcelona coach he managed to humiliate Bayern Munich with a score of 4-1.

The golden era of Lamasia has reappeared, this generation will mark the revival of Barcelona. The reason Hansi Flick wants to coach Barcelona is because there are young players from Lamasia, the proof is that when playing against Bayern Munich he played seven players from Lamasia and managed to slaughter Bayern Munich.

Of course, Hansi Flick is the coach who has brought changes to Barcelona this season even though I can't just forget about Xavi. Xavi also played a very important role in orbiting many young talents from the La Masia academy, namely Lamine Yamal and several other players who are currently in the main squad.

In fact, Hansi Flick is just continuing the team's tradition of optimizing La Masia players, which was also done by the previous coaches even though they demanded to bring in several new ones. Hansi Flick has several new players in his squad this season, namely Dani Olmo, Pau Victor and Szczesny. Now, if Barcelona can beat Real Madrid in the upcoming El Clasico, then they will really be the favorites to win the La Liga title this season.

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Quote from: KTChampions on October 25, 2024, 04:17:23 PM

It all depends on what you compare it to. I compare it to Bayern, which is a top club and is a contender for the Champions League as one of the regular favorites. If you are thinking about Bayern as a club that might be capable of winning the Bundesliga then that is of course a different question. For me, the results against Bayer, Aston Villa, Eintracht and Barcelona are enough to see that Bayern is weak.

Yeah, Bayern Munich has played 3 matches in the Champions League and they have been defeated 2 times so it's not wrong if we say that Bayern Munich is a weak team in the Champions League for these 2 defeats, maybe we understand they lose against Barcelona because Barcelona is a strong team at the moment but lost against Aston Villa could not be a reason. Bayern Munich still has the opportunity to catch up because there are still 5 matches well let's wait for what they will do.

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Bayern is weak not only in the Champions League, in the Bundesliga they tied with Bayer and Eintracht. Literally out of 4 serious games Bayern managed to get 2 points (this is taking into account that we consider Eintracht to be a serious game hehe). They started very well, scoring a lot of goals, but it turned out that they are only good against obvious underdogs. As for Barcelona, it is too early to think that they are "back" - let's watch the clásico.

I wouldn't call Bayern weak. If they have any performance problems at all, that would be a problem with consistency not the lack of skills.
In all fairness, they performed better than I expected from them, given the not-so-great league performance last season and the fact the club took a gamble with a manager with very little experience in the highest level of competition.

They could've done better against Eintracht, and one point in an away game against Leverkusen is a decent outcome, considering how dominant Leverkusen have been in the prior season. The 4-1 loss to Barcelone might indeed look like they got outclassed, but if you look at the game stats, Bayern dominated in ball possession and had a similar number of shots on goal, so it wasn't as one-sided performance as many seem to think.

It all depends on what you compare it to. I compare it to Bayern, which is a top club and is a contender for the Champions League as one of the regular favorites. If you are thinking about Bayern as a club that might be capable of winning the Bundesliga then that is of course a different question. For me, the results against Bayer, Aston Villa, Eintracht and Barcelona are enough to see that Bayern is weak.

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Real Madrid and Barcelona both destroying their opponents before their game against each other is definitely an entertaining sight. Both German teams, Dortmund was the finalist of UCL last season, and Bayern Munich is... well they are Bayern Munich, so both of them played against good teams as well.

I believe this momentum and morale on these two games will definitely help them a lot, it should not be all that complicated to guess both teams will want to win and actually believe in themselves to win the game as well. This high confidence will make us watch a great game without a doubt, they are going to be all very great and could be something that we could actually enjoy, I am expecting so much from the game without a doubt.

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Quote from: bangjoe on October 25, 2024, 12:46:28 PM

I really don't think the current position is beyond my thinking, I thought before only at the vulnerability of a few goals like two or one goal was created but Barcelona did not do that, they did so well that they created very many goals at the feet of Raphinha, this is really beyond reason, what happened to Bayer Munich was very embarrassing, although statistically they were good but their defense was always defeated by the through ball arranged by Barcelona players, yes they have sometimes, sometimes good sometimes bad, meaning they are still predictable and also unpredictable.

Bayern Munich really played well in that match but they were just unlucky not to have scored more goals in that match. I also think their defence was what cause their big defeat that day. They should have learnt from that by now and try to adjust very well in their upcoming games in the champions league. Barcelona really saw that weak point in their defence and they quickly used it to their advantage, that is what is required of every big team that really knows what they’re doing and want to go far in the competition. I never saw that big win coming and when I thought of that match, I only see the match narrowly ending with a one goal win difference between the teams or a draw in that match. A lot has been learned from that match, I hope both teams take the lesson well for their future games.

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Quote from: bangjoe on October 25, 2024, 12:46:28 PM

I really don't think the current position is beyond my thinking, I thought before only at the vulnerability of a few goals like two or one goal was created but Barcelona did not do that, they did so well that they created very many goals at the feet of Raphinha, this is really beyond reason, what happened to Bayer Munich was very embarrassing, although statistically they were good but their defense was always defeated by the through ball arranged by Barcelona players, yes they have sometimes, sometimes good sometimes bad, meaning they are still predictable and also unpredictable.

What is happening with Barcelona right now cannot be separated from the cool hand of Hansi Flick, even though with young players he managed to make Barcelona sharp again. On the other hand, Bayern Munich, who has a mature squad in the Champions League, could not do much when coached by a coach like Kompany. It can be said that this match is actually a match of the performance of the coaches, and Hansi Flick managed to prove in this match that he is indeed a great coach.

He who gives wounds, he also heals, that's Hansi Flick. In the past when he was still coaching Bayer Munich, he managed to humiliate Barcelona with a score of 2-8, and now when he became Barcelona coach he managed to humiliate Bayern Munich with a score of 4-1.

The golden era of Lamasia has reappeared, this generation will mark the revival of Barcelona. The reason Hansi Flick wants to coach Barcelona is because there are young players from Lamasia, the proof is that when playing against Bayern Munich he played seven players from Lamasia and managed to slaughter Bayern Munich.

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Munich Defense Players Rating in the match :

That's the rating number of players that are not good, especially Kimmich and Neuer. On one hand, the success of the Barcelona attack line that made their ratings like that. For Kompany, for the defeat, he must evaluate the defensive line of Bayern Munich when facing the opposing team in a play style like Barcelona.
Kompany should need to apply a different strategy when they get a variation of attacks as made by Raphinha, Yamal and Lewandowski.
If Kompany does not evaluate after Bayern's first defeat over Barcelona after 5 matches they are always with the result of victory, then Kompany will again accept defeat when facing them.

If Vincent Kompany continues with what he did against Barcelona in the remaining games Bayern Munich is going to play then I don't expect Bayern Munich to win the match because those players he used in the game performance are very bad, Bayern Munich is the ones that give Barcelona a chance to win the match, Bayern Munich players are just looking at Barcelona player's passing the ball like Barcelona is playing against small boys, Kompany should talk if he can't handle Bayern Munich because it looks like Bayern Munich is about to lose the hope of winning the title League this season.

Quote from: Velvet78 on October 25, 2024, 05:56:22 AM

People sometimes underestimate the quality of the Premier League because of Real Madrid's success in the Champions League. However, when we look at the Champions League right now, English teams occupy the top three spots. I am curious to see how Arne Slot will do against Real Madrid and Leverkusen. Liverpool can win both games if they maintain their current performance.

The reason why people underestimate the quality of Premier League teams is that the Premier League is not serious when it comes to the champion league and they are hype teams, if not Manchester city which team that is the Premier League is capable of challenging Real Madrid when it comes to Champion league, let be honest premier league team are not serious and even now I am not satisfied with their performance because if premier league team's meet with Spain team you will see why people underestimate premier league team.

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Bayern Munich won their Champions League opener against Dinamo Zagreb by a huge margin of 9-2. However, Munich lost their next two matches against Aston Villa and Barcelona. Munich will play against benfica in the next Champions League match. Munich has a big chance to win this match.

It means that Munich is not prepared to face popular teams like some of the teams you mentioned. And in fact, Munich can get maximum results when playing against teams that are not so popular.
And regarding the upcoming match against Benfica, I think there is no guarantee that Munich can beat Benfica because Benfica will certainly also put up a strong fight. On the one hand, if the performance of Munich defenders is still like yesterday when playing against Barcelona, a draw could happen.
But we'll see what happens later whether there will be any absent players that could affect the performance of these two teams.

I would guess Bayern is on a "recovery" phase right now, and with a very inexperienced manager as well. Last season was the first time they lost the title in over a decade, so that meant they needed to change something, they did get a new manager, to see a future, a young manager that can actually change something radical, which is having some growing pains. To be fair, they are doing fine with the league right now, and they should be happy with that, and I believe we are going to see them have a good result after a while again anyways.

I believe we should be seeing what we can do on the long run and because of this I believe UCL is a good indicator but not the only one. They could be terrible at UCL this season, I am sure they will end up in top 24 anyway, and then they could lose after that, but as long as they win the league then the rest will be ok for them without a doubt. Bundesliga is the most important title for them at the moment without a doubt.

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I really don't think the current position is beyond my thinking, I thought before only at the vulnerability of a few goals like two or one goal was created but Barcelona did not do that, they did so well that they created very many goals at the feet of Raphinha, this is really beyond reason, what happened to Bayer Munich was very embarrassing, although statistically they were good but their defense was always defeated by the through ball arranged by Barcelona players, yes they have sometimes, sometimes good sometimes bad, meaning they are still predictable and also unpredictable.

Barcelona's performance in that match was certainly very surprising, and I personally never thought they could score goals and win big like that. It was an extraordinary night for the players, especially Raphinha who scored a hat-trick in that match, but Lewandowski also really celebrated the victory even though he was not prepared to celebrate when he scored against his former team.

The performances of Lamine Yamal, Pedri and Raphinha really undermined Bayern Munich's dominance in that match, and it was an entertaining match for most people. This is a new era for Barcelona and they need to keep it going to increase their chances of winning titles in all competitions this season.

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Juventus lost the game with a 1-0 result while they had a good performance against Stuttgart in the Champions League game. I think now this loss was important for Juventus because this way he could understand the weakness of this team. However, I think Juventus could even win this match and beat Stuttgart.
Stuttgart scored another goal, but the VAR did not accept it. Stuttgart also missed the penalty kick.
Maybe the red card was also effective in this match and this made Juventus lose this match.

It may be true that the red card was one of the factors that caused their defeat in this match, because the goal that was scored against them came after they played with 10 men. However, if we look at the statistics or the overall course of the match, they also did not play well and I think Stuttgart deserved the victory they got in this match. I even think Stuttgart could have won with a bigger score if only they could maximize some very good moments, but they could not maximize them well. On the other hand, Juventus almost did not make a significant threat to Stuttgart's goal, they could not do anything when playing in front of their own supporters.

Stuttgart has been performing well in both the league and the Champions League this season, achieving a three-point win against Juventus in the last minute of the game. They have also given Real Madrid a tough time in recent games. Juventus has struggled to win the league during the past two seasons, despite good performances in some matches. And they have tough game to play this weekend against inter Milan, and I don't think Juventus can achieve three point against inter, because inter Milan have been dominating the league with Napoli, let see what they will play in there next game. If they can win there game against inter Milan they can get the opportunity of topping the league this season, and they have old players in the team that have more experience so I think if they can performing well they can achieve the title this season. There next Champions league match will be with Aston Villa and they have not lose any game in the ucl this season they are topping the ucl table, Juventus need to pick form if they what to defeat Aston Villa in there next game. And he will be very difficult because they are playing at home and they won't like to lose at home, let see how the game will go.

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Actually, in terms of appearance, they also played well, because in my opinion the score does not reflect the game and indeed in football such things always happen so this is a very natural thing to happen. Maybe if I judge from the game of both teams, then a thin score should have happened, but it turned out that Barcelona's effectiveness in carrying out an attack was very good. Look at the 4 attempts that led to the goal all ended in goals. This is a very important lesson for Bayern Munich, because when they face a team with good goal productivity they still have many shortcomings, so this can be an evaluation for them.

Bayern Munich actually performed quite well during the match, they were even able to put pressure on and managed to equalize. Unfortunately, Barcelona's players were also very good. Every opportunity they had was utilized very well, as a result Bayern fell. In the match against Sevilla, Bayern Munich also performed very well, but unfortunately they did not convert a single opportunity into a goal. So, I agree with what you said. Let's flashback before Munich experienced a series of unsatisfactory results. Starting when they drew against Leverkusen, Bayern began to lose points in two different competitions. 1 match won, 2 draws and 2 more matches lost. It seems that Kompany has to evaluate something from his team other than the factor of injured players. The match against Barca was a turning point for them to be able to perform much more optimally, now Bayern is in 23rd position and there are still 5 matches left.1 match can be said to be tough against PSG. Kompany must fix his team's squad to get every full point in the remaining 5 matches, so that Munich can qualify for the next phase.

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I think so too, there were not many goals scored in the Barcelona vs Bayern Munich match because we know Bayern Munich's defense is quite strong but that is wrong because in reality in this match Barcelona was able to embarrass Bayern Munich. Barcelona has been able to end a bad streak when facing Bayern Munich and in today's match they were able to prove it.

Barcelona were lucky as Bayern Munich haven't been in a great form lately, they won their last game before this match but from the way they play, you'll realized that they're not yet back in form. We can't also behave like Barcelona didn't play very well and were only lucky as Barcelona brought the game to Bayern Munich and it was an entertaining match to watch. Raphinha scored a hat trick and now it's looking like Real Madrid and Barcelona are just competing against each other. Vinicius jnr scored his hat trick yesterday and today Raphinha has scored his. Harry Kane will always find a way to score even if they lose and that's what just happened as he got a goal.

Lucky? Are you joking? Bayern is not as good as they used to be. There's so much to write about Bayern Munich players' performances week in and week out. I was insanely disappointed with Bayern's defense. They were terrible to watch. So, their coach, Kompany, didn't change the fact that Bayern is in downfall now.

Bayern dominated the first half, made a lot of chances, but didn't capitalize. Their defense was horrible to watch. They made many blunders. Neuer is too old for modern football. He is finished and must be replaced. All in all, Bayern deserved the loss against Barcelona.

It proves that Kompany is not good enough for UCL. So, the decision to sign him is bad.

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