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That's how it seems to me, Bayan Munich's early performance made it look like Bayan Munich will do well in the Champions League, but looking at Bayan Munich's performance against Barcelona, it looks like they may not be able to progress very far in their Champions League journey. Bayern Munich changed their manager last season and put a new manager in charge of their team. When the new manager took charge of Bayern Munich, we heard many rumors that this manager would not be able to properly carry out his duties at Bayern Munich. However, Bayern Munich have handed over the manager and despite a good start to the season, the team's performance has gradually declined under him, leading many to suspect that the team may not be in a good position at the end of the season.
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Juventus lost the game with a 1-0 result while they had a good performance against Stuttgart in the Champions League game. I think now this loss was important for Juventus because this way he could understand the weakness of this team. However, I think Juventus could even win this match and beat Stuttgart.
Stuttgart scored another goal, but the VAR did not accept it. Stuttgart also missed the penalty kick.
Maybe the red card was also effective in this match and this made Juventus lose this match.
It may be true that the red card was one of the factors that caused their defeat in this match, because the goal that was scored against them came after they played with 10 men. However, if we look at the statistics or the overall course of the match, they also did not play well and I think Stuttgart deserved the victory they got in this match. I even think Stuttgart could have won with a bigger score if only they could maximize some very good moments, but they could not maximize them well. On the other hand, Juventus almost did not make a significant threat to Stuttgart's goal, they could not do anything when playing in front of their own supporters. Stuttgart scored another goal, but the VAR did not accept it. Stuttgart also missed the penalty kick.
Maybe the red card was also effective in this match and this made Juventus lose this match.
That's how it seems to me, Bayan Munich's early performance made it look like Bayan Munich will do well in the Champions League, but looking at Bayan Munich's performance against Barcelona, it looks like they may not be able to progress very far in their Champions League journey. Bayern Munich changed their manager last season and put a new manager in charge of their team. When the new manager took charge of Bayern Munich, we heard many rumors that this manager would not be able to properly carry out his duties at Bayern Munich. However, Bayern Munich have handed over the manager and despite a good start to the season, the team's performance has gradually declined under him, leading many to suspect that the team may not be in a good position at the end of the season.
Actually, in terms of appearance, they also played well, because in my opinion the score does not reflect the game and indeed in football such things always happen so this is a very natural thing to happen. Maybe if I judge from the game of both teams, then a thin score should have happened, but it turned out that Barcelona's effectiveness in carrying out an attack was very good. Look at the 4 attempts that led to the goal all ended in goals. This is a very important lesson for Bayern Munich, because when they face a team with good goal productivity they still have many shortcomings, so this can be an evaluation for them.
That's how it seems to me, Bayan Munich's early performance made it look like Bayan Munich will do well in the Champions League, but looking at Bayan Munich's performance against Barcelona, it looks like they may not be able to progress very far in their Champions League journey. Bayern Munich changed their manager last season and put a new manager in charge of their team. When the new manager took charge of Bayern Munich, we heard many rumors that this manager would not be able to properly carry out his duties at Bayern Munich. However, Bayern Munich have handed over the manager and despite a good start to the season, the team's performance has gradually declined under him, leading many to suspect that the team may not be in a good position at the end of the season.
Actually, in terms of appearance, they also played well, because in my opinion the score does not reflect the game and indeed in football such things always happen so this is a very natural thing to happen. Maybe if I judge from the game of both teams, then a thin score should have happened, but it turned out that Barcelona's effectiveness in carrying out an attack was very good. Look at the 4 attempts that led to the goal all ended in goals. This is a very important lesson for Bayern Munich, because when they face a team with good goal productivity they still have many shortcomings, so this can be an evaluation for them. 
Damn, my prediction with multi bet slip for 3 matches today fail because Juventus can not beat Stuttgart, this is also bad home game for Juventus because Stuttgart is much more dominant in the game.
Juventus has defense line that I admit is very good but changed drastically after one of their defenders Danilo got red card and gave penalty kick for Stuttgart, really great for Mattia Perin for this save.
I think everything will end in draw or there is luck for Juventus to win but in the end Stuttgart got very good chance and got 1 goal for their advantage.
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Looking at Juventus' attack statistics is also so bad because Stuttgart is better. Juventus has defense line that I admit is very good but changed drastically after one of their defenders Danilo got red card and gave penalty kick for Stuttgart, really great for Mattia Perin for this save.
I think everything will end in draw or there is luck for Juventus to win but in the end Stuttgart got very good chance and got 1 goal for their advantage.
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Juventus - shots on goal 1
Stuttgart - shots on goal 10
So the chances of goals for Juventus can be said to be small, it's just that they are stronger at the back, it also gets problems because someone has to come out because of a red card, this is unfortunate luck.
I think many bettors have fallen who chose Juventus or PSG.
But today I got win from the 3 match I took and this win returned the loss from yesterday defeat, haha it quite surprising that Manchester City could win big and Barcelona too.
At first I thought Barcelona could get pressure from Bayern Munich so i took BTTS, but Raphinha became the star in this match by creating hatrick.
Juventus lost the game with a 1-0 result while they had a good performance against Stuttgart in the Champions League game. I think now this loss was important for Juventus because this way he could understand the weakness of this team. However, I think Juventus could even win this match and beat Stuttgart.
Stuttgart scored another goal, but the VAR did not accept it. Stuttgart also missed the penalty kick.
Maybe the red card was also effective in this match and this made Juventus lose this match.
It seems that Harry Kane isn't very lucky, Bayern are doing badly in the Champions League and may not even qualify 
Their next opponents are Benfica and PSG, so it won't be easy.
I was very surprised that the German team conceded 4 goals to Barcelona
Their next opponents are Benfica and PSG, so it won't be easy.
I was very surprised that the German team conceded 4 goals to Barcelona
Bayern Munich have played brilliantly in the opening matches of the season with the help of Kompany. In most of the matches, we have seen the Bayern Munich team win by a big margin. But gradually we saw a decline in Munich's performance. Bayern Munich's downfall began with a match against Leverkusen. Munich shared points with Leverkusen. Munich then lost against Aston Villa. Bayern Munich also drew the match against Frankfurt 3-3.
Bayern Munich lost against Hansi Flick's match strategy. Barcelona performed brilliantly. Each of their attacks was very fast. However, if Bayern Munich's goalkeeper could have performed a little better, Munich would not have conceded 4 goals.
Typical Kompany's ball. They attack underdogs well. But it means nothing against a good club. This also happens when he was at Burnley as well.
Even Flick played a disrespectful backline against Bayern. It shows how weak Bayern are now. People are hyped because they often score many goals against weak clubs. But, they struggled to win against strong clubs.
Bayern's recent games really killed my expectations of them. Nothing has improved so far, and yet again, they don't have a winners' mentality.
Kompany is a very young coach and I agree that it can be his weakness now but he has a long coach career to improve. In football, a team can collapse in a match against a big opponent. Big defeats under big opponents are always very painful and emotional but coaches and players can learn from such defeats and improve themselves.Even Flick played a disrespectful backline against Bayern. It shows how weak Bayern are now. People are hyped because they often score many goals against weak clubs. But, they struggled to win against strong clubs.
Bayern's recent games really killed my expectations of them. Nothing has improved so far, and yet again, they don't have a winners' mentality.
No one imagined a big defeat 1 - 7 of Brazil under Germany in World Cup 2014, and some similar matches at club level. Give Kompany time, we will have another young successful coach like Xabi Alonso. Don't forget that some coaches have to wait till very late of their career to succeed like Claudio Ranieri, Luciano Spaletti, Gasperini and more.
Hansi Flick understand Bayern Munich players very well because he used to be coach of Bayern Munich and German national team. It helped him a log in this match and good performances of chosen players brought a big win to Barcelona.
What? Are you joking perhaps? Taking this game into account, in the last 10 games Bayern have 8 wins and Barcelona 2. And I don't advise you to check the goal difference 
The fact is that Bayern are still weak this year - they are weak in both the Bundesliga and the Champions League, we can now say that with confidence.
I agree with you, this present Bayern side are not very strong when it comes to the champions League. I noticed that when they played and lost against Aston villa, that was when I realised that this Bayern side will still struggle in the champions League this season. Kompany is having his first experience as a coach in the champions League. For them to lose to Aston villa didn't speak good about them. Barcelona was definitely going to tore them apart. Especially now that Barcelona are playing very well. Bayern Munich fans should just take it that way, they have dominated Barcelona for too long now and it's not really that bad if they lose to Barcelona, because this Barcelona team right now can ball Manchester city very well at this current form.The fact is that Bayern are still weak this year - they are weak in both the Bundesliga and the Champions League, we can now say that with confidence.
Bayern is weak not only in the Champions League, in the Bundesliga they tied with Bayer and Eintracht. Literally out of 4 serious games Bayern managed to get 2 points (this is taking into account that we consider Eintracht to be a serious game hehe). They started very well, scoring a lot of goals, but it turned out that they are only good against obvious underdogs. As for Barcelona, it is too early to think that they are "back" - let's watch the clásico.
Even Flick played a disrespectful backline against Bayern. It shows how weak Bayern are now. People are hyped because they often score many goals against weak clubs. But, they struggled to win against strong clubs.
Bayern's recent games really killed my expectations of them. Nothing has improved so far, and yet again, they don't have a winners' mentality.
Atalanta football team played match against Celtic team and we saw result of that match. Both teams played very well in this match but no team could win this match due to low attack. Atalanta football team attacked for many times but that team could not successful to do goal in this match. The shots of Atalanta team were more in number and that were 22 and only 6 were on target and the possession percentage of that team was 67 percent and they gave more passes in this match but in the end they could not do goal in this match . The possession percentage of Celtic team was very low and that was 33 percent and and passes of that team were 333 and that were less than Atalanta team.
Atalanta is look frustrate when hold the Celtics at Bergamo. Kasper Schmeichel as the hero, he have several time save a ball from Atalanta attacker and make them adversity to pressing the ball in the penalty box. I think Celtics has shown his class when away in Italy, as we know, a lot of people underestimate them to get point on Bergamo, but Celtics was revived from lost 7-1 when meet dortmund on Champions League ago, and able to get 1 points on Atalanta. I admit, Brendan Rodgers is experienced coach, he know how to overcome atalanta attacker, and know how to make them frustrate on their home.
Atalanta and Celtic played to a goalless draw.I was surprised that Atalanta didn't score in this game.Although they played a dominant game against Celtic, they were ineffective in front of goal.I hope that Atalanta won't regret not winning this game in the coming weeks because 3 points are out of their hands.Celtic were not in the game at all.
Another game that I was surprised to see end in a draw was definitely the match between Brest and Leverkusen.Both teams have started the season well but I expected Leverkusen to win this away game.Brest showed them that it's not that easy to win.
Atalanta football team played match against Celtic team and we saw result of that match. Both teams played very well in this match but no team could win this match due to low attack. Atalanta football team attacked for many times but that team could not successful to do goal in this match. The shots of Atalanta team were more in number and that were 22 and only 6 were on target and the possession percentage of that team was 67 percent and they gave more passes in this match but in the end they could not do goal in this match . The possession percentage of Celtic team was very low and that was 33 percent and and passes of that team were 333 and that were less than Atalanta team. Another game that I was surprised to see end in a draw was definitely the match between Brest and Leverkusen.Both teams have started the season well but I expected Leverkusen to win this away game.Brest showed them that it's not that easy to win.
I think the Atlético Madrid management should now look for a new and experienced coach. Diego Simeone is unable to improve the performance of this team. I wouldn't say that Simeone is a bad coach. He has been with Atletico Madrid for a long time. But the performance of Atletico Madrid is quite weak now.
I am also of this opinion. I think I have said it here before too.
Letting go of a manager doesn't mean the manager is bad. Sometimes the club just needs a breath of fresh air, and some new and added ideas and philosophies. Diego Simeone has been a good manager for Atletico Madrid, Aside from the Champions League he has won every trophy available, so they should know when to part ways.
When you look at the team's players, you'll see that they are all very good attacking players. Even the defenders are attacking-minded. Nobody knew Molina could attack so well until we watched him in the World Cup for Argentina. That's what the philosophy at Atletico Madrid does to these players; it limits them.
I understand it's difficult to find a good manager this period, but they have to look harder and get a manager who can change things at the club as much as Simeone has done and even better.
Yes, I agree with this opinion, Diego Simeone's good days seem to be over, as Atletico Madrid has been performing poorly in the Champions League this season. The defeat to Lille left Atletico in 27th place in the table and facing the risk of early elimination. In the past, it was easier to draw blood from a stone than to get past Simeone's solid defense. But right now, it's a party for the opponents.
Atletico's chances of winning a major trophy this season are almost gone. What's going on with Atletico? Is coach Diego Simeone facing the risk of being fired? Definitely. Despite his great contribution to building Atletico into a leading force, Simeone has also been paid handsomely over the years with the highest salary in the world among strategists.
Barcelona may not have have beaten Bayern Munich 8-2 but the 4-1 defeat is a sweet victory for them. Barcelona has not found it easy playing the German giants and with Flick in charge of Barcelona they found a way to defeat their long time for.
I think both team has same pattern of play, and they both keep a high line, this time around Barcelona had the players to cause Bayern Munich serious troubles.
I think both team has same pattern of play, and they both keep a high line, this time around Barcelona had the players to cause Bayern Munich serious troubles.
Yeah we did not expect that Barcelona could beat Bayern Munich with 4-1 because we know Bayern Munich also has great players so they will do the same thing, but unfortunately Bayern Munich can't do much while playing away, yeah maybe this is the answer to the defeat of Barcelona a few years ago as you said 8-2 will be recorded in history.
In another match Atletico Madrid must be defeated by Lille, I don't know why Atletico Madrid looks bad while playing at home and they scored the first goal in the 8th minute but somehow Lille can win the match with a score of 1-3 they even scored 3 goals in the last 30 minutes.
With the results obtained by Barcelona in this match they seemed to get a good injection and avoid the shadow of Bayern because we know that Bayern has always been one of the clubs that can most make Barcelona chaotic in a match but with Flick in the Barcelona squad now they seem to forget that.
Now Flick must take advantage of this condition to continue to make his performance maintained because after all, momentum like this for Barcelona in the Champions League must be maintained after they had previously failed and eliminated in the Champions League in the group phase so now there is a big expectation with Flick as coach.
Barcelona may not have have beaten Bayern Munich 8-2 but the 4-1 defeat is a sweet victory for them. Barcelona has not found it easy playing the German giants and with Flick in charge of Barcelona they found a way to defeat their long time for.
I think both team has same pattern of play, and they both keep a high line, this time around Barcelona had the players to cause Bayern Munich serious troubles.
I think both team has same pattern of play, and they both keep a high line, this time around Barcelona had the players to cause Bayern Munich serious troubles.
Yeah we did not expect that Barcelona could beat Bayern Munich with 4-1 because we know Bayern Munich also has great players so they will do the same thing, but unfortunately Bayern Munich can't do much while playing away, yeah maybe this is the answer to the defeat of Barcelona a few years ago as you said 8-2 will be recorded in history.
In another match Atletico Madrid must be defeated by Lille, I don't know why Atletico Madrid looks bad while playing at home and they scored the first goal in the 8th minute but somehow Lille can win the match with a score of 1-3 they even scored 3 goals in the last 30 minutes.
I think the Atlético Madrid management should now look for a new and experienced coach. Diego Simeone is unable to improve the performance of this team. I wouldn't say that Simeone is a bad coach. He has been with Atletico Madrid for a long time. But the performance of Atletico Madrid is quite weak now.
I am also of this opinion. I think I have said it here before too.
Letting go of a manager doesn't mean the manager is bad. Sometimes the club just needs a breath of fresh air, and some new and added ideas and philosophies. Diego Simeone has been a good manager for Atletico Madrid, Aside from the Champions League he has won every trophy available, so they should know when to part ways.
When you look at the team's players, you'll see that they are all very good attacking players. Even the defenders are attacking-minded. Nobody knew Molina could attack so well until we watched him in the World Cup for Argentina. That's what the philosophy at Atletico Madrid does to these players; it limits them.
I understand it's difficult to find a good manager this period, but they have to look harder and get a manager who can change things at the club as much as Simeone has done and even better.
I wouldn't call Bayern weak. If they have any performance problems at all, that would be a problem with consistency not the lack of skills.
In all fairness, they performed better than I expected from them, given the not-so-great league performance last season and the fact the club took a gamble with a manager with very little experience in the highest level of competition.
They could've done better against Eintracht, and one point in an away game against Leverkusen is a decent outcome, considering how dominant Leverkusen have been in the prior season. The 4-1 loss to Barcelone might indeed look like they got outclassed, but if you look at the game stats, Bayern dominated in ball possession and had a similar number of shots on goal, so it wasn't as one-sided performance as many seem to think.
I can't agree with you at all. Bayern is Bayern and they have a certain strength, regardless of who their coach is and at the moment they are playing at the minimum level. Without joking, if I was Bayern's coach I wouldn't have got a worse result against Barcelona and the games against Frankfurt and Leverkusen were anything but a success. Yes, Leverkusen were strong last year but this season they are not as strong, if Bayern were as strong as they used to be they would have beaten Leverkusen.
Barcelona were lucky as Bayern Munich haven't been in a great form lately, they won their last game before this match but from the way they play, you'll realized that they're not yet back in form. We can't also behave like Barcelona didn't play very well and were only lucky as Barcelona brought the game to Bayern Munich and it was an entertaining match to watch. Raphinha scored a hat trick and now it's looking like Real Madrid and Barcelona are just competing against each other. Vinicius jnr scored his hat trick yesterday and today Raphinha has scored his. Harry Kane will always find a way to score even if they lose and that's what just happened as he got a goal.
I even think there is no luck if one team wins by a big score. Although you can say that Barcelona has not found its best game but in that match I think they have found their true identity in the Champions League. Look at the statistics of the Barcelona vs Bayern Munich meeting where Bayern always won by a big score in the previous match but this time Barcelona managed to take revenge. Thus, Barcelona's performance has improved quite well in the Champions League this season, they are also very focused on the domestic league. Hansi Flick managed to raise the quality of his players where Raphinha rediscovered his sharpness in scoring goals, of course that is the coach's skill in raising the spirit of the players. On the one hand, Harry Kane became the most fertile striker who continued to score goals, but unfortunately he failed to bring his team to victory.
I do hope that he proves us wrong, it would be lovely to see a star coach rising from Bayern Munich again, why would I be against anything like that, it is not going to be an issue and we should be considering what type of profit that we are going to see. What we need to consider right now would be just considering how to get better results for Bayern and this Barcelona game could be a start for that.
However, I fear that we could be right and Bayern may end up losing and not having a good UCL season, obviously they "may" win the bundesliga because they are the best team there so it wouldn't be a shock, but I am not expecting anything more from them at all, and winning bundesliga with Bayern isn't exactly an achievement to be fair. They may not even do that, they are not far ahead and they could end up losing the title there too, then we would all know why Vincent Kompany was a bad mistake by Bayern that they shouldn't take a risk like that at all.
Looking att he performance of Bayern so far, it wouldn't be totally out of places to say this performance wouldn't get them a decent finish, literally if they get pass the round of sixteen after this league stage, then they should be commended for having really done that much as it is almost looking like such that may not be achieved with their current performance but then I don't want to see less in the possible brilliance kompany can achieve with his team, literally he's not an experienced champions League coach so I can cut him some slacks with that but in the bundesliga it wouldn't be ideal to make such consideration because he has coached in other leagues before this, hopefully he's able to give the management of Bayern Munich enough reasons to retain him by the end of the season. However, I fear that we could be right and Bayern may end up losing and not having a good UCL season, obviously they "may" win the bundesliga because they are the best team there so it wouldn't be a shock, but I am not expecting anything more from them at all, and winning bundesliga with Bayern isn't exactly an achievement to be fair. They may not even do that, they are not far ahead and they could end up losing the title there too, then we would all know why Vincent Kompany was a bad mistake by Bayern that they shouldn't take a risk like that at all.
Bayern is weak not only in the Champions League, in the Bundesliga they tied with Bayer and Eintracht. Literally out of 4 serious games Bayern managed to get 2 points (this is taking into account that we consider Eintracht to be a serious game hehe). They started very well, scoring a lot of goals, but it turned out that they are only good against obvious underdogs. As for Barcelona, it is too early to think that they are "back" - let's watch the clásico.
Well they might be weak no doubt but they could have been more lucky in the Barcelona game with their logic game, why did i call it logic?? It's simple to get what the coach was after, he was only after more pressing and maybe goals for the first half the finish it off with more goals by bringing in coman, sane, musiala....(+1 more playesr he subbed in along... forgotten his name) in the second half 60+ mins but things didn't go according to the way he planned.
Thus, if you noticed around the time he brought those 4 players in barca was already winning by 4 so they did more of defence and even with the strong defence there were still some crtitical attempts for more goals by bayern. Olmoa and Gavi that was subbed coupd do nothing but more defence because of the attempts (because i knew there should have been more goals for Barcelona woth Olmo in ) , i guess the defence...that made the game not to go the way they planned but nevertheless Barca played smart
throughout the game. 
I think the Atlético Madrid management should now look for a new and experienced coach. Diego Simeone is unable to improve the performance of this team. I wouldn't say that Simeone is a bad coach. He has been with Atletico Madrid for a long time. But the performance of Atletico Madrid is quite weak now.
Atlético Madrid squad has plenty of talented players as we have seen. But Simeone is yet to create a consistent match strategy for Atletico Madrid. We see erratic gameplay from Atletico Madrid due to weakness in match strategy.
Atlético Madrid squad has plenty of talented players as we have seen. But Simeone is yet to create a consistent match strategy for Atletico Madrid. We see erratic gameplay from Atletico Madrid due to weakness in match strategy.
Atleast they are doing fine every season in their domestic and Champions league, there is no seasons without Atletico Madrid both here and in Laliga and I think that if teams changes Coaches most often, they might not even go far, they have to give the team and coach some time to prove they are worthy of the job but it's just that they haven't had any Champions League trophy to prove but still it doesn't change anything, even top teams from Premier League fallout out of place in Champions league.
The only thing I'm surprised about this their last match is the fact they lose to Lille, I don't know why they couldn't replicate what they did to Real Madrid in their home to this team they can clear twice a week, they lose to them and it's shameful. Their defensive game was weak but I think they underestimated Lille to be a game they can finished with ease but turn out sour.
Barcelona may not have have beaten Bayern Munich 8-2 but the 4-1 defeat is a sweet victory for them. Barcelona has not found it easy playing the German giants and with Flick in charge of Barcelona they found a way to defeat their long time for.
I think both team has same pattern of play, and they both keep a high line, this time around Barcelona had the players to cause Bayern Munich serious troubles.
I think both team has same pattern of play, and they both keep a high line, this time around Barcelona had the players to cause Bayern Munich serious troubles.
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