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Quote from: Mahdirakib on September 08, 2023, 01:48:16 PM

Quote from: notblox1 on September 08, 2023, 01:18:36 PM

Another change on Betnomi website, now there is new 404: NOT_FOUND error message saying DEPLOYMENT_NOT_FOUND.
I dont know if they are doing something in the background or this is just automatic message from their hosting provider.

No one knows what Betnomi team is doing in the background as they aren't saying anything publicly. At first they were showing the maintenance message, then it turned into "This Edge Function has crashed". The maintenance message was brought back two weeks ago, but Betnomi.com is showing a new error message since last few days. betnomi representative was active on the forum two days ago. I have also noticed that Betnomi team is still deleting the messages from telegram group which isn't in their favour.

The Betnomi team is just making a scene by showing us fake proofs that their site is having some problems, but in reality they are trying to find a proper way to run with the money of the investors and gamblers. They won't pay anyone and take all the money and run away with that. The sites like Betnomi always do something like that when they accumulate enough funds in their wallets. I'm not sure what is going to take place in future but I'm sure that they won't be back again. Let's see if they come back or their representative comes back on this forum then what kind of excuse he will make to defend that shady casino.

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Quote from: notblox1 on September 08, 2023, 01:18:36 PM

Another change on Betnomi website, now there is new 404: NOT_FOUND error message saying DEPLOYMENT_NOT_FOUND.
I dont know if they are doing something in the background or this is just automatic message from their hosting provider.

No one knows what Betnomi team is doing in the background as they aren't saying anything publicly. At first they were showing the maintenance message, then it turned into "This Edge Function has crashed". The maintenance message was brought back two weeks ago, but Betnomi.com is showing a new error message since last few days. betnomi representative was active on the forum two days ago. I have also noticed that Betnomi team is still deleting the messages from telegram group which isn't in their favour.

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Another change on Betnomi website, now there is new 404: NOT_FOUND error message saying DEPLOYMENT_NOT_FOUND.
I dont know if they are doing something in the background or this is just automatic message from their hosting provider.

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Quote from: Hispo on September 07, 2023, 01:44:27 PM

Quote from: pixie85 on September 05, 2023, 04:07:27 PM

Quote from: Csmiami on September 03, 2023, 09:23:15 AM

I mean... it's crypto, it's not like any big international news agency will catch the story of a small crypto casino closing shop...

Unfortunately, it's like you said. If the authorities can't get people behind so many crypto exchanges that disappeared with people's money, they will probably never find these casino operators. Even if they do, each victim would have to file a report. If not enough people do it and the sum is small enough, they'll be given a fine and probably a suspended sentence.

You need to owe 10 million dollars in crypto or more for the authorities to get interested in you like they were in Mark Karpeles, SBF, or that Russian who hacked Bitfinex.

the fact authorities do not get involved yet does not mean people are supposed to stay still and do nothing. There have been many examples on the internet how communities and groups joined their efforts to pursue other who committed fraud or other crimes. It is about doing some of the search job so legal and formal authorities can get their way easier.

I am not sure how much that casino was worth in total deposits which belong to gamblers, but 10 million is a quite easy figure for a casino which was relatively popular around here (and probably on other communities).

Letting scammers to successfully run away with all the money will only encourage others to do the same.

And, we've tried to facilitate such action. We openly invite any user who's become the victim of betnomi to open their case [with evidence], but none so far would want to do that.

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Quote from: pixie85 on September 05, 2023, 04:07:27 PM

Quote from: Csmiami on September 03, 2023, 09:23:15 AM

I mean... it's crypto, it's not like any big international news agency will catch the story of a small crypto casino closing shop...

Unfortunately, it's like you said. If the authorities can't get people behind so many crypto exchanges that disappeared with people's money, they will probably never find these casino operators. Even if they do, each victim would have to file a report. If not enough people do it and the sum is small enough, they'll be given a fine and probably a suspended sentence.

You need to owe 10 million dollars in crypto or more for the authorities to get interested in you like they were in Mark Karpeles, SBF, or that Russian who hacked Bitfinex.

the fact authorities do not get involved yet does not mean people are supposed to stay still and do nothing. There have been many examples on the internet how communities and groups joined their efforts to pursue other who committed fraud or other crimes. It is about doing some of the search job so legal and formal authorities can get their way easier.

I am not sure how much that casino was worth in total deposits which belong to gamblers, but 10 million is a quite easy figure for a casino which was relatively popular around here (and probably on other communities).

Letting scammers to successfully run away with all the money will only encourage others to do the same.

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Quote from: iv4n on September 07, 2023, 07:50:35 AM

Quote from: holydarkness on September 04, 2023, 10:39:20 AM

Quote from: bislom on September 03, 2023, 02:36:34 PM

Betnomi was an exit scam from the beginning. There were manys cam accustions but these stupid paid muppets with high rank defended this scam site, royse and yahoo*** get paid to defend this scam, its their fault also that there are many victims now. You see what happens when you are naive and dont listen

How does royse get paid to defend them, again? Far as I know, he doesn't even have any business with them, not even as a campaign or competition manager?

No one was paid to defend them... none of us here is a lawyer who is paid for their legal services. It's not clear to me why Roys was mentioned either, I must have missed it, but as far as Yahoo he carried their signature, as I and some others as well, and he organized games that were sponsored by the casino. I was also a participant, and I really didn't have any problems with Betnomi casino regarding deposits/withdrawals and other things. So how can I complain, or anyone else, if we didn't have any issues?

There were some signs, but is there a casino with a perfect reputation without some accusations here and there?

We never know. But I doubt that Royse and yahoo will accept the offer if ever Betnomi ask them to do such thing. Both of these guys has the reputation that I think is big enough for them to accept an offer by a scam casino. Yahoo is offering a signature campaign managing service, it is a norm now that being hired as a campaign manager doesn't mean that the campaign manager is part of the team. At least they have a little bit of connection but one bad thing that one party makes doesn't mean that the other party is also at fault. These campaign managers also doesn't want the casino they are managing turn into a scam casino.

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Quote from: holydarkness on September 04, 2023, 10:39:20 AM

Quote from: bislom on September 03, 2023, 02:36:34 PM

Betnomi was an exit scam from the beginning. There were manys cam accustions but these stupid paid muppets with high rank defended this scam site, royse and yahoo*** get paid to defend this scam, its their fault also that there are many victims now. You see what happens when you are naive and dont listen

How does royse get paid to defend them, again? Far as I know, he doesn't even have any business with them, not even as a campaign or competition manager?

Yes, because the campaign manager is not part of the team of that business, because they are only paid to promote it, but if a case like this happens, of course they will not promote it again if they have been marked as a fraud because of course they also maintain their reputation in this forum even though they have to pay a lot of money. example like 1xbit when they are tagged now on this forum, would the campaign manager on this forum be willing to hold an event to promote a scam casino.

I don't think they will do that, even so this case doesn't seem to get any more attention even though everyone knows that betnomi has left their business and has nothing to do with the campaign manager team who was ever paid, after the work is done there is nothing to do with betnomi.

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Quote from: holydarkness on September 04, 2023, 10:39:20 AM

Quote from: bislom on September 03, 2023, 02:36:34 PM

Betnomi was an exit scam from the beginning. There were manys cam accustions but these stupid paid muppets with high rank defended this scam site, royse and yahoo*** get paid to defend this scam, its their fault also that there are many victims now. You see what happens when you are naive and dont listen

How does royse get paid to defend them, again? Far as I know, he doesn't even have any business with them, not even as a campaign or competition manager?

No one was paid to defend them... none of us here is a lawyer who is paid for their legal services. It's not clear to me why Roys was mentioned either, I must have missed it, but as far as Yahoo he carried their signature, as I and some others as well, and he organized games that were sponsored by the casino. I was also a participant, and I really didn't have any problems with Betnomi casino regarding deposits/withdrawals and other things. So how can I complain, or anyone else, if we didn't have any issues?

There were some signs, but is there a casino with a perfect reputation without some accusations here and there?

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Quote from: Csmiami on September 03, 2023, 09:23:15 AM

I mean... it's crypto, it's not like any big international news agency will catch the story of a small crypto casino closing shop...

Unfortunately, it's like you said. If the authorities can't get people behind so many crypto exchanges that disappeared with people's money, they will probably never find these casino operators. Even if they do, each victim would have to file a report. If not enough people do it and the sum is small enough, they'll be given a fine and probably a suspended sentence.

You need to owe 10 million dollars in crypto or more for the authorities to get interested in you like they were in Mark Karpeles, SBF, or that Russian who hacked Bitfinex.

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Quote from: Mahdirakib on September 03, 2023, 01:39:29 PM

Believe it or not, Betnomi wasn't so popular and big casino in the crypto gambling world as the way some forum members think about them. They had created a great impression on the forum by spending some marketing funds. Betnomi wasn't a billion or a hundred million dollar company (gambling site) that it will become a hot topic in the crypto gambling world.

Betnomi spent money for promotion here but we can't really say how much money they had.
One way to see how popular some gambling website is would be to check how many visitors they have in day, month, and year.
There are ways to fake this, so I would always test personally, check social media accounts, activity in forums and their blockchain addresses and transactions.
Maybe we should start new topic only for posting and tracking known crypto addresses for all casinos.

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Quote from: bislom on September 03, 2023, 02:36:34 PM

Betnomi was an exit scam from the beginning. There were manys cam accustions but these stupid paid muppets with high rank defended this scam site, royse and yahoo*** get paid to defend this scam, its their fault also that there are many victims now. You see what happens when you are naive and dont listen

How does royse get paid to defend them, again? Far as I know, he doesn't even have any business with them, not even as a campaign or competition manager?

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Betnomi was an exit scam from the beginning. There were manys cam accustions but these stupid paid muppets with high rank defended this scam site, royse and yahoo*** get paid to defend this scam, its their fault also that there are many victims now. You see what happens when you are naive and dont listen

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Quote from: Betwrong on September 03, 2023, 05:18:32 AM

And why there's no news about their "exit scam"? It's big news, isn't it?

Believe it or not, Betnomi wasn't so popular and big casino in the crypto gambling world as the way some forum members think about them. They had created a great impression on the forum by spending some marketing funds. Betnomi wasn't a billion or a hundred million dollar company (gambling site) that it will become a hot topic in the crypto gambling world. Anyway, I have created a thread about them one month ago. You should check it out: The story of Betnomi.com (Exit Scam). BTCGOSU has also published a blog post about it.

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Quote from: Betwrong on September 03, 2023, 05:18:32 AM

Is it so? Guys, please tell me it can't be true.

Not trying to be mean or cruel or whatevs; but yes, it's true.

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We are not in some fecking dark web, they can't just disappear taking all the users' money with them. They will be prosecuted, no?

Under what law? Curaçao? Under what premise; someone reporting at a police station that they have been gambling (illegal in many places) with crypto (illegal in many places) on online casino?

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And regarding not paying their employees for three months. Where does this info come from?

Not sure if there's a lot of info about it, but icopress was working for them and AFAIK, that's where this comes from.

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And why there's no news about their "exit scam"? It's big news, isn't it?

I mean... it's crypto, it's not like any big international news agency will catch the story of a small crypto casino closing shop...

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Quote from: efialtis on September 01, 2023, 09:55:49 AM

Quote from: LTU_btc on August 28, 2023, 06:02:40 PM

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this will be a lesson for Betnomi users to play on truly trusted platform sites, at least casinos that are active in their platform campaigns every time. sporting events for example being a partner or sponsor would be great, because it looks like casino sites like that have big money and are not scammers.

It's true, especially when there was some red flags about Betnomi in past, but in general, nobody didn't paid attention to it. They managed to hide contraversies and make good reputation by sponsoring various prediction pools, making some promotions and giveaways.

People didn`t pay attention because they benefited financially, it`s as simple as that really... I am obviously not referring to the forum "newbies" here. There were more than enough red flags, we have pointed this out multiple times already.

What`s shocking (and what could actually lead to a different discussion... Sorsis finally decided to do the exit scam and there is literally nothing any "victim" can do since we are still in the Wild West of crypto. Shit shows such as Betnomi can simply disappear with no consequences... Talk about why regulation of the space will not only come with its disadvantages...

Is it so? Guys, please tell me it can't be true. We are not in some fecking dark web, they can't just disappear taking all the users' money with them. They will be prosecuted, no?

And regarding not paying their employees for three months. Where does this info come from?

And why there's no news about their "exit scam"? It's big news, isn't it?

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Quote from: efialtis on September 01, 2023, 09:55:49 AM

Quote from: LTU_btc on August 28, 2023, 06:02:40 PM

Quote from: piebeyb on August 28, 2023, 02:32:28 AM

this will be a lesson for Betnomi users to play on truly trusted platform sites, at least casinos that are active in their platform campaigns every time. sporting events for example being a partner or sponsor would be great, because it looks like casino sites like that have big money and are not scammers.

It's true, especially when there was some red flags about Betnomi in past, but in general, nobody didn't paid attention to it. They managed to hide contraversies and make good reputation by sponsoring various prediction pools, making some promotions and giveaways.

People didn`t pay attention because they benefited financially, it`s as simple as that really... I am obviously not referring to the forum "newbies" here. There were more than enough red flags, we have pointed this out multiple times already.

What`s shocking (and what could actually lead to a different discussion... Sorsis finally decided to do the exit scam and there is literally nothing any "victim" can do since we are still in the Wild West of crypto. Shit shows such as Betnomi can simply disappear with no consequences... Talk about why regulation of the space will not only come with its disadvantages...

I warned people multiple times about this site, but nobody listened and I even got red tagged (which was later removed by the idiot who was hired and paid by Betnomi). There was much more corruption goign on on the forum, many people got paid here to defend Betnomi and it was their job to talk about other things while serious accusations were going on. Royse was alo involved in this scam, before he started his own scamsite lucybit.

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Quote from: holydarkness on September 01, 2023, 06:16:56 AM

Quote from: Hispo on August 31, 2023, 06:25:25 PM

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That leads me to believe there were very deep problems within the administration of that site,probably a big conflict of interest among those who were in charge of running it. Who knows, there is a chance someone in the staff wanted to have a good casino while other just wanted to exit scam when the time was appropriate to him and there were struggling for their own interests...

If I may offer perspective from my own [personal] professional career, such cases where shareholders or the higher-ups are disagreeing about the direction of their company are not uncommon. And usually, it's solved through finding a middle way, taking majority votes if necessary, and on severe case, offering a buy out for the partners. One or two even publicly announced [it's a small business close to where I live] that they have internal issues and will come back with solution in an undetermined time, but assure that they will give their best, clear all of their duties and responsibilities, and then pull the brake while they internally solving their issue. None of the companies with these issues in the past from my experience took the houdini act.

Surely because those companies and those previous experiences you are talking about did not involve anyone within the administration having legitimate bad intentions for the future of the casino or the future of the gamblers who had fun there.

What I am trying to say is that this may not be the common case where those in the casino staff have disagreements on the direction to be taken, but rather one of the owners being a potential scammer who had had planned to exit scam for a long time but did not do it because saw some earning coming for the normal operation of the casino, however, it may just take a small occasion of low earnings or some week where the casino was under-performing for that person to take all the money and run away.

That is just a theory, but there are indeed many people on this planet who do not care for having a reliable business in the long term, as much as they care to burn it all for a sack of dirty money.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on August 28, 2023, 06:02:40 PM

Quote from: piebeyb on August 28, 2023, 02:32:28 AM

this will be a lesson for Betnomi users to play on truly trusted platform sites, at least casinos that are active in their platform campaigns every time. sporting events for example being a partner or sponsor would be great, because it looks like casino sites like that have big money and are not scammers.

It's true, especially when there was some red flags about Betnomi in past, but in general, nobody didn't paid attention to it. They managed to hide contraversies and make good reputation by sponsoring various prediction pools, making some promotions and giveaways.

People didn`t pay attention because they benefited financially, it`s as simple as that really... I am obviously not referring to the forum "newbies" here. There were more than enough red flags, we have pointed this out multiple times already.

What`s shocking (and what could actually lead to a different discussion... Sorsis finally decided to do the exit scam and there is literally nothing any "victim" can do since we are still in the Wild West of crypto. Shit shows such as Betnomi can simply disappear with no consequences... Talk about why regulation of the space will not only come with its disadvantages...

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Quote from: holydarkness on September 01, 2023, 06:16:56 AM

If I may offer perspective from my own [personal] professional career, such cases where shareholders or the higher-ups are disagreeing about the direction of their company are not uncommon. And usually, it's solved through finding a middle way, taking majority votes if necessary, and on severe case, offering a buy out for the partners. One or two even publicly announced [it's a small business close to where I live] that they have internal issues and will come back with solution in an undetermined time, but assure that they will give their best, clear all of their duties and responsibilities, and then pull the brake while they internally solving their issue. None of the companies with these issues in the past from my experience took the houdini act.

To stage a come back is different from exit scam and you know the difference like you explained and narrated in your story at least the company told those customers that they are coming back better and stronger. This is what is expected from betnomi from customers and other people who may not have opened an account with them but were already believing in them only to be disappointed. So if company truly want to take a break to come back at a later date, they announce that to workers, customers and general public that is the difference.

But at the end of the day we shouldn't easily believe on their claims that they come back more better and stronger since if they care about their reputation also on their community this incident will not happen. But since many has got compromised I guess much better to pass on and play on different reputable casino, since its hard to trust for second time again if they already failed their costumers who once trust them.

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Quote from: holydarkness on September 01, 2023, 06:16:56 AM

If I may offer perspective from my own [personal] professional career, such cases where shareholders or the higher-ups are disagreeing about the direction of their company are not uncommon. And usually, it's solved through finding a middle way, taking majority votes if necessary, and on severe case, offering a buy out for the partners. One or two even publicly announced [it's a small business close to where I live] that they have internal issues and will come back with solution in an undetermined time, but assure that they will give their best, clear all of their duties and responsibilities, and then pull the brake while they internally solving their issue. None of the companies with these issues in the past from my experience took the houdini act.

To stage a come back is different from exit scam and you know the difference like you explained and narrated in your story at least the company told those customers that they are coming back better and stronger. This is what is expected from betnomi from customers and other people who may not have opened an account with them but were already believing in them only to be disappointed. So if company truly want to take a break to come back at a later date, they announce that to workers, customers and general public that is the difference.

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