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legendary
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Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform
October 02, 2023, 12:46:26 PM
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Perhaps some change of heart because of the fear of the possible legal consequences all this mess could have on those whose personal info is available on internet?
They are doing those things to give a relief (positive hopes) to the victims so that the victim doesn't take any legal actions. Seems like it is working for them.

Unfortunately, it would seem that even without them doing those things as distraction, the people who got defrauded seem to be already very discouraged to seek for legal advise a d prosecution, at this point.

Leads me to believe neither of them have lost an amount of money worth to hassle of going after these scammers, which is pretty sad and disgusting, to be honest. If these people can create a casino, take the money and run away, without any serious repercussions to them; we are going to see more scammers getting encouraged to do exactly what they have done.

Also, if there are LinkedIn pages, that could mean there is enough information about them and their former employees for someone to track them.
legendary
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In Search of Incredible
October 02, 2023, 10:26:06 AM
Sorsis disappeared from LinkedIn about the same time. Or, at least it was like that to me.
I have been checking the Betnomi website and Sorsis Linkedin profile occasionally as well, his LinkedIn profile was always available whenever I checked it.

Perhaps some change of heart because of the fear of the possible legal consequences all this mess could have on those whose personal info is available on internet?
They are doing those things to give a relief (positive hopes) to the victims so that the victim doesn't take any legal actions. Seems like it is working for them.
legendary
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October 02, 2023, 06:14:41 AM
Btw, I just checked, and they have reappeared on LinkedIn.: ~snip~
But what could it mean? I have no idea.
AFAIK, Sorsis has never disappeared from LinkedIn. When were you unable to find his LinkedIn profile? What I have seen is, his LinkedIn 'followers' and 'connections' have increased since the downtime of Betnomi website. However, their official LinkedIn profile has been deleted at the end of July month.

It's over, they finally deleted their public Linkedin page.
https://www.linkedin.com/company/betnomi
Everything was working few days ago: ~

Sorsis disappeared from LinkedIn about the same time. Or, at least it was like that to me. I had been checking all Betnomi related info once a week, and it was a good news for me that Sorsis reappeared on LinkedIn. Also, seeing this today



instead of this scary message



that we had been seeing for quite a while, is a relief for me.


I would not like to say it is a good signal and there is a chance for people to recover their balance, because I am not even close to be sure what in God's name is going on, specially on the LinkedIn going off and on.

A scammer would just delete everything they can while exiting the scam and never turn around. Perhaps some change of heart because of the fear of the possible legal consequences all this mess could have on those whose personal info is available on internet?
legendary
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I stand with Ukraine.
October 02, 2023, 05:27:48 AM
Btw, I just checked, and they have reappeared on LinkedIn.: ~snip~
But what could it mean? I have no idea.
AFAIK, Sorsis has never disappeared from LinkedIn. When were you unable to find his LinkedIn profile? What I have seen is, his LinkedIn 'followers' and 'connections' have increased since the downtime of Betnomi website. However, their official LinkedIn profile has been deleted at the end of July month.

It's over, they finally deleted their public Linkedin page.
https://www.linkedin.com/company/betnomi
Everything was working few days ago: ~

Sorsis disappeared from LinkedIn about the same time. Or, at least it was like that to me. I had been checking all Betnomi related info once a week, and it was a good news for me that Sorsis reappeared on LinkedIn. Also, seeing this today



instead of this scary message



that we had been seeing for quite a while, is a relief for me.
legendary
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In Search of Incredible
September 25, 2023, 09:04:32 AM
Btw, I just checked, and they have reappeared on LinkedIn.: ~snip~
But what could it mean? I have no idea.
AFAIK, Sorsis has never disappeared from LinkedIn. When were you unable to find his LinkedIn profile? What I have seen is, his LinkedIn 'followers' and 'connections' have increased since the downtime of Betnomi website. However, their official LinkedIn profile has been deleted at the end of July month.

It's over, they finally deleted their public Linkedin page.
https://www.linkedin.com/company/betnomi
Everything was working few days ago: ~
legendary
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I stand with Ukraine.
September 25, 2023, 03:49:26 AM
$20k? I thought there were millions of USD on the site. I'm not a whale or something, but I had around $400 on the site. My balance was $150 and I would never deposit more but my friend offered to sponsor my poker game and I deposited $250 more just couple of days before the site disappeared. Was I among those few unlucky ones who had much more than $100 on their balance? Too bad.
It's possibly around the 20K range for the exit scam, but it could have been a little more if they were selectively scamming all along. If the amount was in millions of USD, we would have seen a lot of noise on sites like reddit, trustpilot, casinoguru, askgamblers and this forum.

For a website that was already struggling, I would say it's just the unlucky few that got struck by the exit scam.

That's what I was thinking too. I was sure they had millions of USD of users' money on the site, and since there had been no news about their "exit scam" or whatever, no news even today:



I thought we just had to wait till the issue was resolved. Apparently I was wrong.

Btw, I just checked, and they have reappeared on LinkedIn.:



But what could it mean? I have no idea.
legendary
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September 20, 2023, 03:22:32 PM
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Betnomi most probably did not have a huge user base and the base of players that they had,well most of them should have not been high rollers so they decided to move away with all people balances and call it a day.Another one hit the dust as they say.

Not an excuse to exit scam and steal money, though.
There are casinos which are far less popular than Betnomi was and with both a lesser volume and number of users, still they decide not to scam anyone and try to continue to grow each day and in an honorable way. That is how most casinos has ever started.

When they started to gain some traction they all could exit scam but did not, and the results of many of those casinos is the absolute positive state and the millions they produce with their operations. Betnomi simply gave up and decided it was time to die for them.

Still hoping of someday we will ever see some accountability against those crooks...
legendary
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September 20, 2023, 08:00:46 AM
The fact that they are not back yet means only one thing and that is to stick to casinos here with years of experience and only positive feedback,of course such casinos if they make an exit scam they lose much more than continuing operating as they have a huge user base that makes them profit over the long run.We should stick to them.

Betnomi most probably did not have a huge user base and the base of players that they had,well most of them should have not been high rollers so they decided to move away with all people balances and call it a day.Another one hit the dust as they say.
legendary
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September 20, 2023, 07:47:25 AM
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They have had issues with player withdrawals and payments since forever...

I actually believed, and to this day still do, that the delays always came when the market was the "most unstable", and that they purposelly held onto the funds to "pay less BTC for the same $". So if it was something premeditated, not really "an issue"
I don't think we will ever know the real problem with their site and business, because whatever is slow causes withdrawals to be delayed, it is clearly very vulnerable to trust, slow withdrawals are sometimes annoying, that's why I never gamble on them. casinos that process withdrawals manually unless they process withdrawals automatically.

Even now I can't speculate about them whether it's about delayed or slow withdrawals but what we have to realize now is that they have left their business and are probably building other new casinos that we don't know about, but I still believe that they have used to being active on this forum so know how to gain reputation and trust from the community, so I'm still careful with new casinos lately and holding signature campaigns too, it seems like people are used to it before  Cheesy
legendary
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www.btcgosu.com
September 20, 2023, 06:31:30 AM
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They have had issues with player withdrawals and payments since forever...

I actually believed, and to this day still do, that the delays always came when the market was the "most unstable", and that they purposelly held onto the funds to "pay less BTC for the same $". So if it was something premeditated, not really "an issue"

That wouldn`t really make it any better and less shady...

Well, as someone stated before - I think we are starting to repeat the same things again and again - Betnomi was a shit show (I literally named them so multiple times) and an obvious one - their exit scam was just a matter of time and funnily, even in our GOSU TG, I stated exactly that a long time ago...  Roll Eyes
copper member
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September 20, 2023, 05:40:50 AM
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They have had issues with player withdrawals and payments since forever...

I actually believed, and to this day still do, that the delays always came when the market was the "most unstable", and that they purposelly held onto the funds to "pay less BTC for the same $". So if it was something premeditated, not really "an issue"
legendary
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www.btcgosu.com
September 19, 2023, 02:57:27 PM
I doubt that they would make exit scam just for $20k or similar amount of money. It's just not worth.I have no idea how much money they invested to make website, all promotions and how much money they were making, but I believe it' way bigger money.
Betnomi had a small number of active gamblers, even it was decreasing gradually for their poor services. I believe their casino and sportsbook weren't able to generate as much profit as they were spending to run the casino. Eventually, they found it better to close the casino with the funds of the user. Based on the reports of 4-5 users in Bitcointalk forum, they had almost $50k on their Betnomi account in total.


BTW, Casino Guru has marked Betnomi as a 'closed casino'.


That response of mine does not even include all of the withdrawal issues/delays users have had ever since
I myself faced the withdrawal delay issue at Betnomi, but some forum members still believe that there was no withdrawal delays or issues on Betnomi.

They have had issues with player withdrawals and payments since forever... heck, they didn`t even pay their employees and partners... go figure  Cool
legendary
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In Search of Incredible
September 19, 2023, 02:44:22 PM
I doubt that they would make exit scam just for $20k or similar amount of money. It's just not worth.I have no idea how much money they invested to make website, all promotions and how much money they were making, but I believe it' way bigger money.
Betnomi had a small number of active gamblers, even it was decreasing gradually for their poor services. I believe their casino and sportsbook weren't able to generate as much profit as they were spending to run the casino. Eventually, they found it better to close the casino with the funds of the user. Based on the reports of 4-5 users in Bitcointalk forum, they had almost $50k on their Betnomi account in total.


BTW, Casino Guru has marked Betnomi as a 'closed casino'.


That response of mine does not even include all of the withdrawal issues/delays users have had ever since
I myself faced the withdrawal delay issue at Betnomi, but some forum members still believe that there was no withdrawal delays or issues on Betnomi.
jr. member
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September 19, 2023, 08:01:44 AM
Not that it changes anything but... I think some people around here aren`t being 100% honest - guys, with all the shit that Betnomi (aka Sorsis) have/has been pulling, how can you state it was totally "normal" to keep supporting them? Sorry, the red flags have been right there, for a long time. I am not saying that any bitcointalk user is responsible for Betnomi`s shit but let`s just not pretend... Fact is, as long as there was money to be squeezed, people were definitely ready to look past the issues. And this is a general phenomenon on bitcointalk, actually.

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I mean, I did put a flag up because some stuff I had seen and experienced regarding payments; but since the amount (not the %) was small, people did sort of ignore it. Besides that, the stuff that happened with gosu/efialtis is public; and we did list them in the blacklist for some of those reasons aswell. And some people may also remember that one time a passport was posted here in the forum to mock a user trying to pass KYC under the premise that "it was not his real passport"...

I will go agree that not everything about the site was bad; but all in all, and after some experience I've gained on the industry ever since, I'd be confident to say that most of that was something that should be considered standard, and not something out of the ordinary.

And well, of course everything looks different in hindsight; but would have there really been a point in coming to the forum every day to talk about what people had been ignoring? would it have changed a thing? guess we'll never know

Thank you - let`s also not forget:

- the generally unprofessional attitude
- the constant "change of plans" with regard to betnomi
- the ICO
- the bragging about carding skills, aka literally scamming people (crime)
- and the list could go on and on

There is a reason why we stopped promoting them a long time ago, including blacklisting. I was more than "understanding" and actually gave them the benefit of the doubt, more than once, but they kept proving how right I was... I had them negatively tagged as well and if I remember correctly, some people on here actually put me on "distrust" because I spoke out against them. Last but not least, in recent months, I actually posted more than once in their thread that I do not see a single reason why anyone in his right mind would keep depositing funds on that site and that people should refrain from doing so.

Tbh, I do not think there is anything else we could have done in order to protect the people of this forum as well as visitors of our website.

That response of mine does not even include all of the withdrawal issues/delays users have had ever since - and it doesn`t include personal (horrible) experience with Sorsis either.

Edit: It should also be explicitly mentioned that I don't want to present myself as an angel or something... Why have I not participated in any Betnomi related games/tournaments/contests/challenges for a very long time, even if I was invited by other users? The answer is above...

Think if this place got rid of promotions, and those signatures that everyone has, this wouldn't happen. I doubt this forum would be able to function without it now though. Which suggests a real problem.
legendary
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www.btcgosu.com
September 19, 2023, 04:27:57 AM
Not that it changes anything but... I think some people around here aren`t being 100% honest - guys, with all the shit that Betnomi (aka Sorsis) have/has been pulling, how can you state it was totally "normal" to keep supporting them? Sorry, the red flags have been right there, for a long time. I am not saying that any bitcointalk user is responsible for Betnomi`s shit but let`s just not pretend... Fact is, as long as there was money to be squeezed, people were definitely ready to look past the issues. And this is a general phenomenon on bitcointalk, actually.

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I mean, I did put a flag up because some stuff I had seen and experienced regarding payments; but since the amount (not the %) was small, people did sort of ignore it. Besides that, the stuff that happened with gosu/efialtis is public; and we did list them in the blacklist for some of those reasons aswell. And some people may also remember that one time a passport was posted here in the forum to mock a user trying to pass KYC under the premise that "it was not his real passport"...

I will go agree that not everything about the site was bad; but all in all, and after some experience I've gained on the industry ever since, I'd be confident to say that most of that was something that should be considered standard, and not something out of the ordinary.

And well, of course everything looks different in hindsight; but would have there really been a point in coming to the forum every day to talk about what people had been ignoring? would it have changed a thing? guess we'll never know

Thank you - let`s also not forget:

- the generally unprofessional attitude
- the constant "change of plans" with regard to betnomi
- the ICO
- the bragging about carding skills, aka literally scamming people (crime)
- and the list could go on and on

There is a reason why we stopped promoting them a long time ago, including blacklisting. I was more than "understanding" and actually gave them the benefit of the doubt, more than once, but they kept proving how right I was... I had them negatively tagged as well and if I remember correctly, some people on here actually put me on "distrust" because I spoke out against them. Last but not least, in recent months, I actually posted more than once in their thread that I do not see a single reason why anyone in his right mind would keep depositing funds on that site and that people should refrain from doing so.

Tbh, I do not think there is anything else we could have done in order to protect the people of this forum as well as visitors of our website.

That response of mine does not even include all of the withdrawal issues/delays users have had ever since - and it doesn`t include personal (horrible) experience with Sorsis either.

Edit: It should also be explicitly mentioned that I don't want to present myself as an angel or something... Why have I not participated in any Betnomi related games/tournaments/contests/challenges for a very long time, even if I was invited by other users? The answer is above...
copper member
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September 18, 2023, 06:06:34 PM
$20k? I thought there were millions of USD on the site. I'm not a whale or something, but I had around $400 on the site. My balance was $150 and I would never deposit more but my friend offered to sponsor my poker game and I deposited $250 more just couple of days before the site disappeared. Was I among those few unlucky ones who had much more than $100 on their balance? Too bad.
It's possibly around the 20K range for the exit scam, but it could have been a little more if they were selectively scamming all along. If the amount was in millions of USD, we would have seen a lot of noise on sites like reddit, trustpilot, casinoguru, askgamblers and this forum.

For a website that was already struggling, I would say it's just the unlucky few that got struck by the exit scam.
legendary
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September 18, 2023, 03:43:42 PM
I'm only able to speculate as to the actual amount that may have been the total scammed. The site was mainly dead like I said though so it's hard to imagine many just left big balances sitting there.

A few of you who participated in the poker tourneys and maybe a few sports bettors is my guess.
I doubt that they would make exit scam just for $20k or similar amount of money. It's just not worth.I have no idea how much money they invested to make website, all promotions and how much money they were making, but I believe it' way bigger money.
Maybe they looked more or less dead, but just regular members like me, Betwrong and others had few hundreds on our ballances. And I suppose that there was some whales on website with big ballances. But I can't even make proper scam accusation because I don't know how much exactly I had on my ballance and there is no way how I can find transaction(s) of deposits to my account.
legendary
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September 18, 2023, 06:01:56 AM
~ Being a regular user on betnomi for a bit, I really don't see how very many lost a bunch period. I barely ever seen anyone playing there unless it was a poker tourney sponsored or they did dumbass VIP transfers. Other then that, the site was pretty dead. Doesn't make it ok for them to exit on everyone who had a balance, but I'd bet the legitimate scam total was barely 20k IMO.

$20k? I thought there were millions of USD on the site. I'm not a whale or something, but I had around $400 on the site. My balance was $150 and I would never deposit more but my friend offered to sponsor my poker game and I deposited $250 more just couple of days before the site disappeared. Was I among those few unlucky ones who had much more than $100 on their balance? Too bad.
I'm only able to speculate as to the actual amount that may have been the total scammed. The site was mainly dead like I said though so it's hard to imagine many just left big balances sitting there.

A few of you who participated in the poker tourneys and maybe a few sports bettors is my guess.
jr. member
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September 18, 2023, 05:37:21 AM


I'm just not a bootlicker for gambling sites. Didn't you also 'promote' for Betnomi at one point?
I did and decided to move on as I had some disagreements with the owner and their timetable for paying staff. Same goes for me though, I had an agreement with Betnomi at the time that all promotion would cease if a legitimate scam popped up against them. While I was working with the site, no scam accusation was ignored to my knowledge.

I don't want you to be a bootlicker or whatever. I would rather a user post their opinion, positive or negative, so i'm not necessarily getting on your case but I feel your blame is misguided partially.

I'm not aware of the details of all the deals people working with Betnomi had, but I know they weren't out to try and help users get scammed. An argument could have been made that they maybe should have stopped a few weeks sooner I suppose, but I think it's fair to say that they were not 100% an exit scam was about to happen. They had faith that the owner would make it right as that was his pattern for a couple years. Late or delayed, but always came through.

You are entitled to your opinion though.

That's a charitable read. The ones that got paid to promote? They were on the betnomi thread, making all kinds of excuses when there was complaints. That makes them culpable.

Those same people, by the way, will now go on to shill for someone else, with that same poor judgment.
legendary
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I stand with Ukraine.
September 18, 2023, 05:35:26 AM
~ Being a regular user on betnomi for a bit, I really don't see how very many lost a bunch period. I barely ever seen anyone playing there unless it was a poker tourney sponsored or they did dumbass VIP transfers. Other then that, the site was pretty dead. Doesn't make it ok for them to exit on everyone who had a balance, but I'd bet the legitimate scam total was barely 20k IMO.

$20k? I thought there were millions of USD on the site. I'm not a whale or something, but I had around $400 on the site. My balance was $150 and I would never deposit more but my friend offered to sponsor my poker game and I deposited $250 more just couple of days before the site disappeared. Was I among those few unlucky ones who had much more than $100 on their balance? Too bad.
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