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Quote from: SamReomo on August 05, 2023, 12:43:33 PM

I feel very sad for the users of that casino because they have put a lot of money for gambling at that casino and their hope are now gone into dust. They have taken the worst exit that a reputed casino can ever take and the users are totally in shock. I know that some other sites are trying to give bonuses to the victims of Betnomi scam exit, but they are doing such things for gaining gamblers into their platforms. The wagering requirements are placed on those and that's why they are just taking the advantage of the situation.

It is very sad to know that a casino who has tried to gain some popularity and trust will exit in such a manner. I had seen this thread but was not following it. I thought it was one of the several threads that newbies create against reputable casinos.
Not until I stumbled on a thread created by TrustDice representative in this forum, that was when I understood how serious the case is.
These days, one does not only need to be careful of new casinos but also older ones.

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Quote from: yahoo62278 on August 05, 2023, 02:01:56 PM

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I know that there are 3 types of hacker in general. But based on the leaked conversations, Sorsis (Betnomi admin) wasn't a good one.

Quote from: Mahdirakib on August 04, 2023, 04:58:40 AM

One of the employees of Betnomi had posted some screenshot of the conversation with Sorsis in 2020. Where Sorsis said that he "was carding over 18k USD worth of items weekly". Sorsis also claimed that he had compromised 28k computers by creating a rat (remote access trojan).

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Quote from: Mahdirakib on August 05, 2023, 12:31:37 PM

Quote from: Betwrong on August 05, 2023, 05:12:56 AM

If someone knows more, please tell us here. In the posts above I still see no evidence of their bankruptcy or exit scam. I believe that it can take longer than we expected, but they will be back and we'll be playing poker on their amazing platform.

I know why you are saying this. You (all of us) have experienced a pretty similar situation of Betnomi in 2021. They had appeared with an update after a few months of silence on the forum. But the website was up and they were giving updates on their telegram group during then. Where the situation is completely different now. They have taken down the website, not replying to anyone on telegram, there is no update at any platform. Their history isn't good, just take your time and read this thread: The story of Betnomi.com (Exit Scam)

BTW, don't forget to check the skills of Betnomi admin. Sorsis has mentioned about his hacking skill on his LinkedIn profile too.

I don't think that because someone listed hacking as a skill that that means they are a bad person or anything. Lot's on here may like to dabble in that area. There are good and bad hackers, and he doesn't exactly say he will rob your wallet if he can.

Just pointing that out as I don't think all hackers deserve to be looked at in a negative light.

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Quote from: SamReomo on August 05, 2023, 12:43:33 PM

I know that some other sites are trying to give bonuses to the victims of Betnomi scam exit, but they are doing such things for gaining gamblers into their platforms. The wagering requirements are placed on those and that's why they are just taking the advantage of the situation.

Trustdice bonus for Betnomi victim is pretty fair because they offer a bonus that was supposed to be given for a high tier VIP. You can’t get this kind of benefits without wagering huge amount of money and lossing big time in the process. Trustdice is a business, Obviously their action will surely have benefits to them but at least they reach out to the victims by offering their exclusive bonus to the newly sign up.

I have balance too on Betnomi but thanks G it’s only small compared to other victim. I will be happy to claim Trustdice bonus if ever I will be lucky to find proof on my email that is now full of junk ads email.

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Quote from: Hispo on August 05, 2023, 11:31:31 AM

If they were profitable there was not reason to do this. Obviously.

We can't really know for sure. They might have been unprofitable, or maybe not. They ran some decent promotions on the forum and gave the impression that they had enough funds, up until the very end.

Ever since I joined this forum, I've read about some popular and long-lasting gambling platforms like YoloDice and Luckybit that shut down. It's not uncommon in the gambling world. But the owners of those platforms did the right thing, announcing the closure in advance, giving users time to withdraw their funds, and then closing down. Betnomi's owner, on the other hand, just disappeared without a word. Looks more like an exit scam to me rather than simply going bankrupt. But that's just my opinion.

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Quote from: Hispo on August 05, 2023, 11:31:31 AM

Quote from: swogerino on August 04, 2023, 01:30:15 AM

Quote from: Hispo on August 03, 2023, 06:32:22 PM

To be honest when I saw this topic in the gambling section I was not expecting this casino to be pulling off some exit scam whatsoever, but when I read the topic started by Coinbox1 I realized all this situation was worse than I imagined.

Quote from: Coinbox1 on August 03, 2023, 08:11:45 AM

To all Betnomi victims:

TrustDice is officially offering a free bonus to Betnomi victims. More details can be found here.

I personally find endearing this action, seeking to give something to those who lost money to scammers, but perhaps this could be seen as an attempt to monetize from the disgrace of a community, keeping in mind what is going on. Just my opinion, of course, I am sure many of the victims will appreciate such "relief".

Yeah I saw that thread and I am dual on what to think about it.First of all Betnomi set a real bad bad precedent for any new coming casino wanting to open business here,they even sponsored the Champions League pool last year and I thought they are doing very well and have money to spare.I think the owners of Betnomi were plain stupid if they shut down business and are happy with what amount they scammed from the users,if they continue business as usual they would be making a lot more profit like any other casino in the long run,what a bunch of idiots.

I have not yet read the full context behind all this situation, though.
What they have done is stupid, obviously, because even if they closed the casino in a proper way and allowed people to withdraw, they could have kept their reputation and use it in the future to try again. But for some strange reasons they decided to sell their reputation for whatever money people had deposited on their platform.

If they were profitable there was not reason to do this. Obviously.

I feel very sad for the users of that casino because they have put a lot of money for gambling at that casino and their hope are now gone into dust. They have taken the worst exit that a reputed casino can ever take and the users are totally in shock. I know that some other sites are trying to give bonuses to the victims of Betnomi scam exit, but they are doing such things for gaining gamblers into their platforms. The wagering requirements are placed on those and that's why they are just taking the advantage of the situation.

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Quote from: Betwrong on August 05, 2023, 05:12:56 AM

If someone knows more, please tell us here. In the posts above I still see no evidence of their bankruptcy or exit scam. I believe that it can take longer than we expected, but they will be back and we'll be playing poker on their amazing platform.

I know why you are saying this. You (all of us) have experienced a pretty similar situation of Betnomi in 2021. They had appeared with an update after a few months of silence on the forum. But the website was up and they were giving updates on their telegram group during then. Where the situation is completely different now. They have taken down the website, not replying to anyone on telegram, there is no update at any platform. Their history isn't good, just take your time and read this thread: The story of Betnomi.com (Exit Scam)

BTW, don't forget to check the skills of Betnomi admin. Sorsis has mentioned about his hacking skill on his LinkedIn profile too.

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Quote from: swogerino on August 04, 2023, 01:30:15 AM

Quote from: Hispo on August 03, 2023, 06:32:22 PM

To be honest when I saw this topic in the gambling section I was not expecting this casino to be pulling off some exit scam whatsoever, but when I read the topic started by Coinbox1 I realized all this situation was worse than I imagined.

Quote from: Coinbox1 on August 03, 2023, 08:11:45 AM

To all Betnomi victims:

TrustDice is officially offering a free bonus to Betnomi victims. More details can be found here.

I personally find endearing this action, seeking to give something to those who lost money to scammers, but perhaps this could be seen as an attempt to monetize from the disgrace of a community, keeping in mind what is going on. Just my opinion, of course, I am sure many of the victims will appreciate such "relief".

Yeah I saw that thread and I am dual on what to think about it.First of all Betnomi set a real bad bad precedent for any new coming casino wanting to open business here,they even sponsored the Champions League pool last year and I thought they are doing very well and have money to spare.I think the owners of Betnomi were plain stupid if they shut down business and are happy with what amount they scammed from the users,if they continue business as usual they would be making a lot more profit like any other casino in the long run,what a bunch of idiots.

I have not yet read the full context behind all this situation, though.
What they have done is stupid, obviously, because even if they closed the casino in a proper way and allowed people to withdraw, they could have kept their reputation and use it in the future to try again. But for some strange reasons they decided to sell their reputation for whatever money people had deposited on their platform.

If they were profitable there was not reason to do this. Obviously.

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Quote from: decodx on August 05, 2023, 06:14:19 AM

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Quote from: Betwrong on August 05, 2023, 05:12:56 AM

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I believe that it can take longer than we expected, but they will be back and we'll be playing poker on their amazing platform.

With all due respect (and you know I like and respect you a lot), you have got to be kidding here, no? Huh

Hahahaha! I have to agree here. I don't know what Betwrong was thinking, but I certainly don't believe that after all this time, they can simply come back with something like "Sorry guys, we were on vacation!" and resume their operations. Trust is of utmost importance in the gambling business, and once you lose it, you can hardly get it back.

I agree with your statement- trust is what builds the reputation of a gambling website.

It takes years of trust and effort by the gambling company in order to build its reputation on the market. With all those efforts, it only takes 2-3 mistakes on their part (even one depending on the gravity of mistake) to destroy their hard-earned reputation as they will quickly lose their loyal player base in a matter of days. Unfortunately, there are dozens of gambling websites that take part in exit scams (Betnomi).

Though this may be the case, there are still lots of genuine gambling websites available in the market. While there may be better offers of bonuses/rewards from new casinos, it is still relatively safe and secure if you bet on a gambling casino which has been consistent with their service for years.

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Quote from: icopress on August 04, 2023, 11:59:48 PM

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Besides...here's more.

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PS: This is not about the money; I couldn't care less about 0.5€ or even 18€; but having a "serious" casino miss almost 10% user funds twice is something to keep bear in mind. Apart from that, the withdrawal delays during bull runs are another interesting thing to have in mind

I think this message actually sums it up pretty well. As a side note, yes I was later on paid the missing money from the withdrawal, but the free bet (i think it was that) never made its way anywhere. I can sort of see why a type 3 flag could be opposed in this case, but it would have definately been grounds for a type 1. Although as I already mentioned somewhere, hidhsight is a bitch.

Quote from: Betwrong on August 05, 2023, 05:12:56 AM

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I mean... I'm not sure what more you could need? It's not really tasteful on their side not to put up a sign saying "this casino has exit scammed"; but I guess that if after more than a month offline and radio silent they come back and act as if nothing had happened, then there is some really big problem around here

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Quote from: efialtis on August 05, 2023, 05:31:02 AM

Quote from: Betwrong on August 05, 2023, 05:12:56 AM

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I believe that it can take longer than we expected, but they will be back and we'll be playing poker on their amazing platform.

With all due respect (and you know I like and respect you a lot), you have got to be kidding here, no? Huh

Hahahaha! I have to agree here. I don't know what Betwrong was thinking, but I certainly don't believe that after all this time, they can simply come back with something like "Sorry guys, we were on vacation!" and resume their operations. Trust is of utmost importance in the gambling business, and once you lose it, you can hardly get it back.

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Quote from: Betwrong on August 05, 2023, 05:12:56 AM

If such a large site like Betnomi goes bankrupt, it's in the News, right? And I'm following the news regarding Betnomi, and there was no such news, including today.

If someone knows more, please tell us here. In the posts above I still see no evidence of their bankruptcy or exit scam. I believe that it can take longer than we expected, but they will be back and we'll be playing poker on their amazing platform.

So do you think they will come back because they haven't announced that they are bankrupt and come out as a scam, of course in the absence of clarification from their team on this forum why feel confident that they will come back again, I'm still not sure the site is inaccessible and also they don't intend to announce it here if there is a problem or they intend to come back again.

There wasn't any clarification since their site was under maintenance until in the end their site couldn't really be accessed, I think everyone was desperate with that then they assumed that Betnomi was bankrupt and came out as a fraud even though I didn't think the same as them because I'm not an active gambler there, but I have little sympathy for the victims at this time that it seems they can't be expected to come back again.

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Quote from: Cuenta Alternativa on August 04, 2023, 09:29:43 AM

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Quote from: Babba86 on August 02, 2023, 08:48:30 AM

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Hey you, the one who's running multiple companies, you should get your head out of your ass, and fuck off with your bankruptcy bullshit.

Actually, what he explains about company bankruptcies is well explained, what I don't know is where he gets that Betnomi has gone bankrupt. It looks like an exit scam and I don't see anything to indicate that they have declared bankruptcy.
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If such a large site like Betnomi goes bankrupt, it's in the News, right? And I'm following the news regarding Betnomi, and there was no such news, including today.

If someone knows more, please tell us here. In the posts above I still see no evidence of their bankruptcy or exit scam. I believe that it can take longer than we expected, but they will be back and we'll be playing poker on their amazing platform.

With all due respect (and you know I like and respect you a lot), you have got to be kidding here, no? Huh

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Quote from: Babba86 on August 02, 2023, 08:48:30 AM

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Hey you, the one who's running multiple companies, you should get your head out of your ass, and fuck off with your bankruptcy bullshit.

Actually, what he explains about company bankruptcies is well explained, what I don't know is where he gets that Betnomi has gone bankrupt. It looks like an exit scam and I don't see anything to indicate that they have declared bankruptcy.
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If such a large site like Betnomi goes bankrupt, it's in the News, right? And I'm following the news regarding Betnomi, and there was no such news, including today.

If someone knows more, please tell us here. In the posts above I still see no evidence of their bankruptcy or exit scam. I believe that it can take longer than we expected, but they will be back and we'll be playing poker on their amazing platform.

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Quote from: logfiles on August 04, 2023, 06:49:08 PM

Someone help me understand what happened here.

@Csmiami created a trust flag against betnomi some time back (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=2646) referencing this topic which I believe was accurate, but the flag got opposed by some members and it stayed inactive

What did I miss here? @Harkorede, @icopress any help?

If I remember correctly, we opposed the flag since that case was settled.

Besides...here's more.

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PS: This is not about the money; I couldn't care less about 0.5€ or even 18€; but having a "serious" casino miss almost 10% user funds twice is something to keep bear in mind. Apart from that, the withdrawal delays during bull runs are another interesting thing to have in mind

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Someone help me understand what happened here.

@Csmiami created a trust flag against betnomi some time back (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=2646) referencing this topic which I believe was accurate, but the flag got opposed by some members and it stayed inactive

What did I miss here? @Harkorede, @icopress any help?

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Quote from: Babba86 on August 02, 2023, 08:48:30 AM

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Hey you, the one who's running multiple companies, you should get your head out of your ass, and fuck off with your bankruptcy bullshit.

Actually, what he explains about company bankruptcies is well explained, what I don't know is where he gets that Betnomi has gone bankrupt. It looks like an exit scam and I don't see anything to indicate that they have declared bankruptcy.

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on August 02, 2023, 08:59:04 AM

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One thing with this whole thing is that, even taking legal action against them involves you spending money, and if at the end of the day, such legal action did not help you recover your lost fund from them, it becomes a double loss..

Unfortunately, I have to agree with you. Taking legal steps against Betnomi only makes sense if you either don't care about the money for the lawyers and the effort (flights, ...) or if an insurance would pay for the lawsuit. <...>

Then there is something else. The average casino depositing user is usually interested in privacy, and a good portion of the clientele will not have declared those funds. They are not going to shoot themselves in the foot by claiming something they have trouble justifying to the authorities. I believe that scam casinos take advantage of this. People who bet from countries where gambling is forbidden, people who get the funds in an opaque way, cases like this are not going to go to the authorities to complain.

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Quote from: Babba86 on August 02, 2023, 08:48:30 AM

Lol its sounds like no one in bitcointalk understands what bankruptcy means. I my self run multiple companys and if one of my company would have gone bankrupt that doesnt make me a scammer to my partners and customers, it simply means that the company didnt get to be a success. This is one of the beautiful part of running a business because as a owner you are not liable personally most often times of the company going bankrupt.

The funds and all of the assets will probably go to bancrupcy agent or estate which will handle all of the remaining value of the company in correct order probably, if their is any funds left.

Its sad that betnomi when bankrupt but that doesnt make them autocratically to be scammers. If you have never runned a company i can personally tell you that it is not a ballet. I personally withdrawed over 500k earlier on when they where in their A game with ease. Its sad to see that players have not got their funds back but that doesnt means automaticaly that bankcrupcy is the same as scamming people.

Hey you, the one who's running multiple companies, you should get your head out of your ass, and fuck off with your bankruptcy bullshit.

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Quote from: Coinbox1 on August 03, 2023, 08:11:45 AM

To all Betnomi victims:

TrustDice is officially offering a free bonus to Betnomi victims. More details can be found here.

As I saw in that thread that your good intentions may not necessarily get a positive response from all the community, maybe they also think that you are taking the opportunity and care from all the victims, but it should also be noted that all victims will probably be happy with your help, but not to offer gambling anymore let alone the bonuses you have prepared for them.

What's more, they have to prove the missing money, maybe some kind of screenshot so it's not worth sharing with your CS, the bonus you give also has requirements that maybe they don't have the money for that because they're just waiting for their money at Betnomi, but whatever. Your good intentions are greatly appreciated even though there will be many negative responses about it.

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Quote from: swogerino on August 04, 2023, 01:30:15 AM

I think the owners of Betnomi were plain stupid if they shut down business and are happy with what amount they scammed from the users,if they continue business as usual they would be making a lot more profit like any other casino in the long run,what a bunch of idiots.

I think part of the reason that they decided to ~~scam~~ abandon the site is because they are not making enough money out of operating it. I got into this conclusion because so far there isnt any massive people complaining about Betnomi at all which means they have a very low number of active players otherwise there wont be any reason that they decided to do this shit

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