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Quote from: Hispo on August 31, 2023, 06:25:25 PM

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That leads me to believe there were very deep problems within the administration of that site,probably a big conflict of interest among those who were in charge of running it. Who knows, there is a chance someone in the staff wanted to have a good casino while other just wanted to exit scam when the time was appropriate to him and there were struggling for their own interests...

If I may offer perspective from my own [personal] professional career, such cases where shareholders or the higher-ups are disagreeing about the direction of their company are not uncommon. And usually, it's solved through finding a middle way, taking majority votes if necessary, and on severe case, offering a buy out for the partners. One or two even publicly announced [it's a small business close to where I live] that they have internal issues and will come back with solution in an undetermined time, but assure that they will give their best, clear all of their duties and responsibilities, and then pull the brake while they internally solving their issue. None of the companies with these issues in the past from my experience took the houdini act.

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Quote from: holydarkness on August 31, 2023, 02:12:21 PM

Quote from: Hispo on August 30, 2023, 11:49:15 AM

I mean, even though reputation is everything in this kind of business if they wanted to pull off a returnal with them giving back the money and paying the proper feed to their managers, eventually they could again get some of their former percentage of the market (not all of it, though). There has been already stories of redemption in different industries, not all people will trust them, but if enough people do and they sincerely apologize with a proper explanation, they may be able to even become profitable again.

To be honest, I do not know how screwed up one has to be to flush down the toilette such business as a successful casino just to appropriate passing money.

That'll be a very nice turn of event if it happens; Betnomi returned and regained third chance. But sometimes, the bridge is burnt too bad [with several civilians still in the middle on the bridge, burnt alive, and some fall to death to the gaping abyss below] that even when they rebuild the bridge and put "it's safe" sign, no one dare crossing.

Well, to be honest, I was not completely informed on the previous serious problems there were as precedent with this casino. I was aware of their relatively high success around here in the forum (because the signature campaigns, the managers they had and the prizes and promos they offered), however screwing up badly and coming three times is something which is rarely heard of any serious business, and with that I do not only mean within the gambling industry.

That leads me to believe there were very deep problems within the administration of that site,probably a big conflict of interest among those who were in charge of running it. Who knows, there is a chance someone in the staff wanted to have a good casino while other just wanted to exit scam when the time was appropriate to him and there were struggling for their own interests...

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Quote from: Hamphser on August 31, 2023, 02:21:10 PM

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Once trust is broken then it couldn't really be turned back the way it was before,there might be some forgiveness or reconsideration but still that trust wont really be 100% just like in the past and thats the reality.
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Why would anyone make a deposit if the site could go offline just like that without any explanations?

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And this is not the first time for Betnomi...

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Quote from: holydarkness on August 31, 2023, 02:12:21 PM

Quote from: Hispo on August 30, 2023, 11:49:15 AM

I mean, even though reputation is everything in this kind of business if they wanted to pull off a returnal with them giving back the money and paying the proper feed to their managers, eventually they could again get some of their former percentage of the market (not all of it, though). There has been already stories of redemption in different industries, not all people will trust them, but if enough people do and they sincerely apologize with a proper explanation, they may be able to even become profitable again.

To be honest, I do not know how screwed up one has to be to flush down the toilette such business as a successful casino just to appropriate passing money.

That'll be a very nice turn of event if it happens; Betnomi returned and regained third chance. But sometimes, the bridge is burnt too bad [with several civilians still in the middle on the bridge, burnt alive, and some fall to death to the gaping abyss below] that even when they rebuild the bridge and put "it's safe" sign, no one dare crossing.

Once trust is broken then it couldn't really be turned back the way it was before,there might be some forgiveness or reconsideration but still that trust wont really be 100% just like in the past and thats the reality.

In every business then we do know that trust is something that hard to be build and would really be taking too long time and effort on building this one. On the time that it did really get that trust that it was trying to build and get over the period of time then it would really be something precious that should be kept intact to run on a smooth business on which it is really that been trusted by the community or the public
which it would really be generating out that profit or revenue but on the time that services and actions been made out which completely eradicate out that trust that had been given then for sure
people would flock away, there might be those people who might be giving out some second chance but the doubt inside is something that cant really be removed or something to be avoided
for such individual to think off specially if they are aware when it comes to history.

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Quote from: Hispo on August 30, 2023, 11:49:15 AM

I mean, even though reputation is everything in this kind of business if they wanted to pull off a returnal with them giving back the money and paying the proper feed to their managers, eventually they could again get some of their former percentage of the market (not all of it, though). There has been already stories of redemption in different industries, not all people will trust them, but if enough people do and they sincerely apologize with a proper explanation, they may be able to even become profitable again.

To be honest, I do not know how screwed up one has to be to flush down the toilette such business as a successful casino just to appropriate passing money.

That'll be a very nice turn of event if it happens; Betnomi returned and regained third chance. But sometimes, the bridge is burnt too bad [with several civilians still in the middle on the bridge, burnt alive, and some fall to death to the gaping abyss below] that even when they rebuild the bridge and put "it's safe" sign, no one dare crossing.

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Quote from: Mahdirakib on August 24, 2023, 02:05:02 PM

Quote from: notblox1 on August 24, 2023, 01:07:18 PM

Anyone checked Betnomi website today?
Sorry, we're down for scheduled maintenance - message is back again, so there is still some hope they could come back with some incredible story to tell.

Yep, they have brought back the maintenance message again. The maintenance message was removed on the 25th July, and they have added it again on 24th August. Let's wait and see the next move of Betnomi team. If Betnomi goes live again, then Sorsis will say that they did a sloppy job, not scammy Cheesy

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Quote from: betnomi on April 11, 2020, 09:27:54 AM

I will admit we did some pretty sloppy job with our canceled ICO but, that was all it was sloppy, not scammy.

I see no reason for them to get off their way in order to put that message again, unless they are trying to fool people about coming back, so they can have some extra days to fully disappear with everyone's money ... or they are truly are planning something to come back and fully redeem themselves, giving the money back.
Though, it is more likely they realized that to this point their reputation is fully destroyed and may just try to fool and run. Roll Eyes

If something positive happens, I would like to know, so Ill keep an eye on this thread. Who knows, perhaps someone lost enough money to make worth going after these scammers and bring them to justice. I have been hoping to read so these days. Roll Eyes

If really they are coming back again then they have to settle all their outstanding payments plus their former manager icopress, and it they w not paid him. If they were maintaining the website they would have informed their representative (s) in the forum to inform all their customers to be awared that something like that would happen so nobody should panic but this one they just left without good notification and here they are saying that they want to come back from their website maintenance. I see the coming back again story as a scammy one.

They have already lost their trust in the forum so for them to gain back that reputation again, they have to clean up their mess. As you said, let see why will happen if they will bounce back with good package.

I mean, even though reputation is everything in this kind of business if they wanted to pull off a returnal with them giving back the money and paying the proper feed to their managers, eventually they could again get some of their former percentage of the market (not all of it, though). There has been already stories of redemption in different industries, not all people will trust them, but if enough people do and they sincerely apologize with a proper explanation, they may be able to even become profitable again.

To be honest, I do not know how screwed up one has to be to flush down the toilette such business as a successful casino just to appropriate passing money.

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Quote from: Hispo on August 29, 2023, 12:12:32 PM

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Quote from: notblox1 on August 24, 2023, 01:07:18 PM

Anyone checked Betnomi website today?
Sorry, we're down for scheduled maintenance - message is back again, so there is still some hope they could come back with some incredible story to tell.

Yep, they have brought back the maintenance message again. The maintenance message was removed on the 25th July, and they have added it again on 24th August. Let's wait and see the next move of Betnomi team. If Betnomi goes live again, then Sorsis will say that they did a sloppy job, not scammy Cheesy

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Quote from: betnomi on April 11, 2020, 09:27:54 AM

I will admit we did some pretty sloppy job with our canceled ICO but, that was all it was sloppy, not scammy.

I see no reason for them to get off their way in order to put that message again, unless they are trying to fool people about coming back, so they can have some extra days to fully disappear with everyone's money ... or they are truly are planning something to come back and fully redeem themselves, giving the money back.
Though, it is more likely they realized that to this point their reputation is fully destroyed and may just try to fool and run. Roll Eyes

If something positive happens, I would like to know, so Ill keep an eye on this thread. Who knows, perhaps someone lost enough money to make worth going after these scammers and bring them to justice. I have been hoping to read so these days. Roll Eyes

If really they are coming back again then they have to settle all their outstanding payments plus their former manager icopress, and it they w not paid him. If they were maintaining the website they would have informed their representative (s) in the forum to inform all their customers to be awared that something like that would happen so nobody should panic but this one they just left without good notification and here they are saying that they want to come back from their website maintenance. I see the coming back again story as a scammy one.

They have already lost their trust in the forum so for them to gain back that reputation again, they have to clean up their mess. As you said, let see why will happen if they will bounce back with good package.

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Quote from: Mahdirakib on August 24, 2023, 02:05:02 PM

Quote from: notblox1 on August 24, 2023, 01:07:18 PM

Anyone checked Betnomi website today?
Sorry, we're down for scheduled maintenance - message is back again, so there is still some hope they could come back with some incredible story to tell.

Yep, they have brought back the maintenance message again. The maintenance message was removed on the 25th July, and they have added it again on 24th August. Let's wait and see the next move of Betnomi team. If Betnomi goes live again, then Sorsis will say that they did a sloppy job, not scammy Cheesy

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Quote from: betnomi on April 11, 2020, 09:27:54 AM

I will admit we did some pretty sloppy job with our canceled ICO but, that was all it was sloppy, not scammy.

I see no reason for them to get off their way in order to put that message again, unless they are trying to fool people about coming back, so they can have some extra days to fully disappear with everyone's money ... or they are truly are planning something to come back and fully redeem themselves, giving the money back.
Though, it is more likely they realized that to this point their reputation is fully destroyed and may just try to fool and run. Roll Eyes

If something positive happens, I would like to know, so Ill keep an eye on this thread. Who knows, perhaps someone lost enough money to make worth going after these scammers and bring them to justice. I have been hoping to read so these days. Roll Eyes

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Quote from: piebeyb on August 28, 2023, 02:32:28 AM

this will be a lesson for Betnomi users to play on truly trusted platform sites, at least casinos that are active in their platform campaigns every time. sporting events for example being a partner or sponsor would be great, because it looks like casino sites like that have big money and are not scammers.

It's true, especially when there was some red flags about Betnomi in past, but in general, nobody didn't paid attention to it. They managed to hide contraversies and make good reputation by sponsoring various prediction pools, making some promotions and giveaways.

Quote from: Bushdark on August 28, 2023, 05:40:18 PM

This is why we don't have to always keep our funds in a casino mostly when we make big wins. Those people that trusted this casino and have left almost all there winnings there hoping that one day, they will accumulate more profits and withdraw there funds are the ones that are complaining too hard about the casino.

I don't like to keep big money on gambling platforms, but when it comes to gambling, especially betting, it's simply inevitable that you have to keep more or less significant money on your ballance. Betnomi was far from my main websites where I make bets, but I still lost at least $100.
I'm wondering, does anyone still believes that they will comeback after scheduled maintenance?

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Quote from: Mahdirakib on August 26, 2023, 11:52:02 AM

Quote from: Betwrong on August 26, 2023, 07:50:25 AM

What's important to me personally is that they come back with all our funds intact and let us play on their site, that used to be one of the best gambling platforms on the internet.

One of the best! Are you talking about Betnomi? Users were facing issues with the withdrawals on Betnomi on a regular basis. The admin of Betnomi hasn't given any official announcement about the issues of the site since last few months. Some users have a good amount of fund stuck on their Betnomi account. I'm wondering why you have too much confidence and positive mindset about Betnomi while they are down for almost two months!

This is why we don't have to always keep our funds in a casino mostly when we make big wins. Those people that trusted this casino and have left almost all there winnings there hoping that one day, they will accumulate more profits and withdraw there funds are the ones that are complaining too hard about the casino.

We should always have it in our mind that anything can happen in the gaming and gambling industry and any decisions that we make is our own risk. Those who know this before now will always take precautions and not allow greed to dominate there interest in any way. We need to scrutinize our actions and checking it very well before we ever decide to go ahead.

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The more longer it takes to fix this nonsense from betnomi team the faster their reputation sinks in the sea, Maybe they will make a comeback, but it won't matter anymore if it takes too damn long.

This is one the shortest lived popular casinos that I know, I remember they came around in the year 2019 and they had a rating of C- and right now it's 2023, that's short-lived to be honest.

From the information that I have gathered online, it's no more a rumour that this online casino is now categorised at Exit Scam, and there are some facts about their history of unreliable operations.

They have fake team and in 2019 they faced accusations about having a fake team and a deceptive ICO project but they managed to cover the controversy.

In 2021, Betnomi transferred users data to new domain and effectively deleting affiliate benefits, and they shunned many partners including customers.

To be honest, Betnomi already had a bad record, many people don't do deep research on their own that's why they got caught in the mess, I am sure they aren't coming back.

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Quote from: logfiles on August 27, 2023, 06:48:09 PM

Quote from: Betwrong on August 26, 2023, 07:50:25 AM

they are trying to fix it, whatever happened with it. When they are back, they may explain to us what happened and they may not.

If they were to explain what happened, they would have done it by now. An offline site or "scheduled maintenance" does not stop the owners from explaining through other channels what is going on.

But in fact, since the first problem occurred, the site was under maintenance, they all disappeared from this forum, even on social media, including their telegram, none of their people actively explained this problem and gave notifications about the maintenance of their site, but that didn't happen at all. I'm pretty sure since then they will never come back to do this business because their site is really marked now as a scam site too.

Even though they might be able to come back later, it's still not going to attract a lot of users who are already disappointed, it's still going to run smoothly and they seem to have been abandoned by many of their users, moreover Betnomi has also taken away the user's money as well as what's left there, whoever the user is Those who haven't had time to withdraw money at Betnomi will probably keep hoping they will come back, but I'm sure Betnomi won't be back, this will be a lesson for Betnomi users to play on truly trusted platform sites, at least casinos that are active in their platform campaigns every time. sporting events for example being a partner or sponsor would be great, because it looks like casino sites like that have big money and are not scammers.

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Quote from: Betwrong on August 26, 2023, 07:50:25 AM

I made this screenshot today, and I think it means they are not abandoning their site

Perhaps a way of giving you false hope?
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They are not abandoning it so that they can continue to scam more in the near future?

Honestly, whoever continues to trust this site after the recent events, will be on their won.

Quote from: Betwrong on August 26, 2023, 07:50:25 AM

they are trying to fix it, whatever happened with it. When they are back, they may explain to us what happened and they may not.

If they were to explain what happened, they would have done it by now. An offline site or "scheduled maintenance" does not stop the owners from explaining through other channels what is going on.

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Quote from: Mahdirakib on August 27, 2023, 12:01:04 PM

Quote from: yahoo62278 on August 26, 2023, 11:58:35 AM

Everyone's experience on Betnomi wasn't the same. Maybe that particular users had a good time gambling and this was the 1st issue they faced? Hard to say, just speculation, but he is entitled to his opinion same as you right?

Well, Betwrong should judge them by checking the overall situation. I respect what he has said above, but it doesn't fit with the current and overall situation of Betnomi. I was also expecting that Betnomi will be back again, but my expectation has faded for the unprofessional steps of them (example: silence of Sorsis, deleting the messages on telegram and blocking the users, sending spam messages to the user email, etc).

A few many users were facing issues with the withdrawals on Betnomi for a long time. Some of them were complaining about it on Betnomi ANN thread. I think Betwrong isn't aware of all these things.

I think he might be remaining optimistic because he is hoping for payment owed to happen. There's also no upside for him to bash the site in case they do return. Might feel like if he did, there would be no payment from his remaining balance.

You are correct though, Betnomi will not have a future here though if they did return. They'll be in the same category of 1xbit.

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Quote from: yahoo62278 on August 26, 2023, 11:58:35 AM

Everyone's experience on Betnomi wasn't the same. Maybe that particular users had a good time gambling and this was the 1st issue they faced? Hard to say, just speculation, but he is entitled to his opinion same as you right?

Well, Betwrong should judge them by checking the overall situation. I respect what he has said above, but it doesn't fit with the current and overall situation of Betnomi. I was also expecting that Betnomi will be back again, but my expectation has faded for the unprofessional steps of them (example: silence of Sorsis, deleting the messages on telegram and blocking the users, sending spam messages to the user email, etc).

A few many users were facing issues with the withdrawals on Betnomi for a long time. Some of them were complaining about it on Betnomi ANN thread. I think Betwrong isn't aware of all these things.

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Quote from: Betwrong on August 26, 2023, 07:50:25 AM

What's important to me personally is that they come back with all our funds intact and let us play on their site, that used to be one of the best gambling platforms on the internet.

One of the best! Are you talking about Betnomi? Users were facing issues with the withdrawals on Betnomi on a regular basis. The admin of Betnomi hasn't given any official announcement about the issues of the site since last few months. Some users have a good amount of fund stuck on their Betnomi account. I'm wondering why you have too much confidence and positive mindset about Betnomi while they are down for almost two months!

Everyone's experience on Betnomi wasn't the same. Maybe that particular users had a good time gambling and this was the 1st issue they faced? Hard to say, just speculation, but he is entitled to his opinion same as you right?

He is, definitely. Betwrong is trying to justify such behavior, but however we look at this it's unacceptable behavior... if it's true that Betnomi didn't pay their employees for 3 months makes things even worse.

I guess this situation proves the old saying: “It takes years to build a reputation and five minutes to ruin it." I think Betnomi and Soros ruined their reputation and I will not play there even if we see them back again.

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Quote from: Mahdirakib on August 26, 2023, 11:52:02 AM

Quote from: Betwrong on August 26, 2023, 07:50:25 AM

What's important to me personally is that they come back with all our funds intact and let us play on their site, that used to be one of the best gambling platforms on the internet.

One of the best! Are you talking about Betnomi? Users were facing issues with the withdrawals on Betnomi on a regular basis. The admin of Betnomi hasn't given any official announcement about the issues of the site since last few months. Some users have a good amount of fund stuck on their Betnomi account. I'm wondering why you have too much confidence and positive mindset about Betnomi while they are down for almost two months!

Have you ever read about the 5 stages of grief?
I do know about the personal situation of all the victims of this alleged scam, but I would not blame anyone who is going through such stages:

Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression and acceptance.

So, of people want to believe that their money could eventually come back and things will continue to be the same, let them be. Anyone has their own view of this situation, the important thing here is to try to seek information of those behind all this and not to turn against each other; that is what the scammers would want the most, us to get distracted and stop tracking them down eventually.

Also, if anyone one of you lost any quantity of money to this casino, then you have my condolences.

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Quote from: Mahdirakib on August 26, 2023, 11:52:02 AM

Quote from: Betwrong on August 26, 2023, 07:50:25 AM

What's important to me personally is that they come back with all our funds intact and let us play on their site, that used to be one of the best gambling platforms on the internet.

One of the best! Are you talking about Betnomi? Users were facing issues with the withdrawals on Betnomi on a regular basis. The admin of Betnomi hasn't given any official announcement about the issues of the site since last few months. Some users have a good amount of fund stuck on their Betnomi account. I'm wondering why you have too much confidence and positive mindset about Betnomi while they are down for almost two months!

Everyone's experience on Betnomi wasn't the same. Maybe that particular users had a good time gambling and this was the 1st issue they faced? Hard to say, just speculation, but he is entitled to his opinion same as you right?

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Quote from: Betwrong on August 26, 2023, 07:50:25 AM

What's important to me personally is that they come back with all our funds intact and let us play on their site, that used to be one of the best gambling platforms on the internet.

One of the best! Are you talking about Betnomi? Users were facing issues with the withdrawals on Betnomi on a regular basis. The admin of Betnomi hasn't given any official announcement about the issues of the site since last few months. Some users have a good amount of fund stuck on their Betnomi account. I'm wondering why you have too much confidence and positive mindset about Betnomi while they are down for almost two months!

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Quote from: Betwrong on August 26, 2023, 07:50:25 AM

Quote from: iv4n on August 22, 2023, 04:19:54 AM

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Well, I don't see the point as well. It looks like some fictional scenario, but even if that is the case here that "someone's life" is in danger he could inform at least someone about what's happening. And "months" are passing... At this point, does anyone here really believe we will see Betnomi online again? In the near or distant future?

I do. As others have said in this thread above, since recently we are seeing this message again:

I made this screenshot today, and I think it means they are not abandoning their site, they are trying to fix it, whatever happened with it. When they are back, they may explain to us what happened and they may not. What's important to me personally is that they come back with all our funds intact and let us play on their site, that used to be one of the best gambling platforms on the internet.

And then how do you explain that all former employees did not receive their salary in the past 3 months and all left the company and are looking for new jobs (or have already found them) ?
And how do you explain Betnomi removing their LinkedIn page?

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