Whats happening with Betnomi? - page 8.

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Quote from: notblox1 on August 10, 2023, 02:26:12 PM

Quote from: ryzaadit on August 10, 2023, 04:18:53 AM

I told them yesterday on telegram group, for the person who is victims or at-least has a balance left on (Betnomi) to create a flag/scam assumption on the bitcointalk. The message is getting deleted, and my account getting banned.

So this is a clear evidence there are moderators or owner in that telegram group.
There is no reasonable explanation why would they delete your message and ban you without any explanation, but I think they want to to make group more dead than it really is.
It is only a matter of time when more people will come to bitcointalk forum and open scam accusation against them.

Well there is a reasonable explanation, and of course there will be moderators in that telegram channel, otherwise that channel would've been a massive cesspool of scams and all that from the get-go. Although this banning and deleting of messages is either damage control to make it seem as though they are still operational and lure in more people/investors that they'd dip out of in the future, or they are outright doing something, but I'm leaning towards the first one cause it's been a whole month now and no matter what you tell me creating a working website shouldn't take that long, and even if it did the least you could do is to remain communicative to your users all throughout the journey so they don't think you're scamming them. Seeing as they never did both it's safe to assume they're trying to one up on the people.

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Quote from: ryzaadit on August 10, 2023, 04:18:53 AM

I told them yesterday on telegram group, for the person who is victims or at-least has a balance left on (Betnomi) to create a flag/scam assumption on the bitcointalk. The message is getting deleted, and my account getting banned.

So this is a clear evidence there are moderators or owner in that telegram group.
There is no reasonable explanation why would they delete your message and ban you without any explanation, but I think they want to to make group more dead than it really is.
It is only a matter of time when more people will come to bitcointalk forum and open scam accusation against them.

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Quote from: Docnaster on August 10, 2023, 10:43:21 AM

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I wrote a message on their telegram-group (for the victim, at least created a thread) but the message are getting deleted by the admin. Not even more than 24 hours for the message, basically they have time to delete & banned people's account who are complain to them but don't have time or give clarification for the issue.

What do you mean by "wants & discourage them"? Off-course they should back because money people are stuck in their site & can't withdraw it. We discourage them because they deserve it, and no need to talk about the reputation because what they did already ruin their reputation:
- Closing a site without a warning first
- Not giving customer choice for have time to withdraw their money before make update
- Not giving any information at all
- Stay silence with really a long time
- Deleted message on their community group & banned account, that's mean they have a time to do that but don't have any time for make clarification?

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Quote from: ryzaadit on August 10, 2023, 04:18:53 AM

Fun-fact about these.

I told them yesterday on telegram group, for the person who is victims or at-least has a balance left on (Betnomi) to create a flag/scam assumption on the bitcointalk. The message is getting deleted, and my account getting banned.

It's just a clear indicator, they are online watching their group but don't just want to respond (especially for admin/mod).

I am sorry I didn't understand this, even if it is a nice comment which have recieved merits.
I will like you to clarify this to me so that I can understand. What I understood that you meant cannot happen in the forum
I understood that, if anyone create a flag against betnomi, their account will be banned .
If they write against betnomi, their posts will.be deleted. I know this is not possible in the forum

If Betnomi wants to return, we shouldn't discourage them. Let us allow them to open withdrawal first and people withdraw their money before we talk about reputation.

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Quote from: ryzaadit on August 09, 2023, 11:04:02 AM

Quote from: piebeyb on August 07, 2023, 10:00:09 AM

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They think and hope (Betnomi) come back because of their money on the site.

Not, because of waiting for the development. Even if they are comeback with the biggest, good, highest development do you think people are gonna still to play in their casinos after these? I think not, even myself they're gonna have a problem with liquidity assets because people will withdraw all of their money from the site (small chance they're coming back.

I watched these thread over 2-3 weeks, it's look like not gonna back anymore. In telegram they have over 4K members, not many user is a forum geek playing on betnomi maybe suggested them to created a thread on. Fun-fact they make the group telegram have limited messages by hours.

Yeah right it seems that even though they are back of course people will withdraw money from the site then leave, because it's hard to believe in a platform site that has disappeared for several weeks without clarity, that's why I think it's time to put a sign and a flag for this problem, because it seems Betnomi not coming back for all its users waiting for them to come back.

Of course it will be in vain because there is really no good intention of them to clarify what actually happened to their business and also what made them stop leaving this business, I can't predict the problem, many say their site was hacked and some are say they went bankrupt and took the user's money away, but it's really sad when a user put big money in the casino and haven't withdrawn it.

Quote from: ryzaadit on August 10, 2023, 04:18:53 AM

Fun-fact about these.

I told them yesterday on telegram group, for the person who is victims or at-least has a balance left on (Betnomi) to create a flag/scam assumption on the bitcointalk. The message is getting deleted, and my account getting banned.

It's just a clear indicator, they are online watching their group but don't just want to respond (especially for admin/mod).

I often comment on the group on a scam project, the same thing is I was kicked from the group and they restricted messages there, it seems you are experiencing the same thing, I'm sure and confirmed that they really seem to be running away from this problem

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Quote from: Mahdirakib on August 10, 2023, 08:30:17 AM

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Yap, sadly no one really knows about the forum.

Offline with a few hours already made customers mad especially on (Casino/Exchange) for a service related to (money). Their reputation is already over, even they can comeback. Most users will try to withdraw all of their money, made the withdraw delay with several reason & will got liquidity problems.

If they are really want to develop the site, they should opened only for (withdraw) interface and only stop the service. Can't imagine, someone losing a lot and have money left on the site (can't even withdraw it/access).

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Quote from: ryzaadit on August 10, 2023, 04:18:53 AM

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Betnomi team is deleting the messages from their telegram group since so long. I have noticed a good number of complaints in their telegram group since 2nd July, but those were not available when I was trying to check them after a day or two. Even one of their admin messages aren't available where the admin said Betnomi will relaunch with in-house games.

Betnomi's telegram group users are decreasing gradually. And they are trying to clean their reputation on the telegram group, no complain there Cheesy

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Fun-fact about these.

I told them yesterday on telegram group, for the person who is victims or at-least has a balance left on (Betnomi) to create a flag/scam assumption on the bitcointalk. The message is getting deleted, and my account getting banned.

It's just a clear indicator, they are online watching their group but don't just want to respond (especially for admin/mod).

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Quote from: piebeyb on August 07, 2023, 10:00:09 AM

I think maybe we are still waiting for some people to report the problem of their money being left on the betnomi site, at this time it hasn't been seen that many users have complained about their money in this forum, I also want to know more about how many victims from this forum community have money there who left behind, it seems it is necessary to start a topic in the investigative board to know about them.

There are quite a number of complaint's if you look around, mostly on Casinoguru and Trustpilot (Focus on the recent one start reviews after going radio silent). Absence of a number of complaints in this forum does not mean the victims were not there.

There is a scam accusation where some has $20K locked up in casino while another use just declined to create a scam accusation based on grounds that it's not worth his time since they have already exit-scammed. So they will not come back according to him.

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Quote from: piebeyb on August 07, 2023, 10:00:09 AM

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They think and hope (Betnomi) come back because of their money on the site.

Not, because of waiting for the development. Even if they are comeback with the biggest, good, highest development do you think people are gonna still to play in their casinos after these? I think not, even myself they're gonna have a problem with liquidity assets because people will withdraw all of their money from the site (small chance they're coming back.

I watched these thread over 2-3 weeks, it's look like not gonna back anymore. In telegram they have over 4K members, not many user is a forum geek playing on betnomi maybe suggested them to created a thread on. Fun-fact they make the group telegram have limited messages by hours.

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Quote from: FatFork on August 07, 2023, 03:38:33 AM

Quote from: Hispo on August 06, 2023, 06:09:15 PM

Are victims actually going to let them get away with a small fortune so easily without trying to get some justice out of it? It would be a pity, it would only encourage more theft in the future.

Do we even know who was really behind this casino? I mean, I know we have a name, but it could be fake. Also, I'm not sure if his actual address or the country he's from is known.
I think someone should start a topic on the investigations board to help victims who are considering taking legal action and reporting this scam to the proper authorities.

I think maybe we are still waiting for some people to report the problem of their money being left on the betnomi site, at this time it hasn't been seen that many users have complained about their money in this forum, I also want to know more about how many victims from this forum community have money there who left behind, it seems it is necessary to start a topic in the investigative board to know about them.

As far as I can see there has been no development whatsoever from this site but there are still some people thinking they will come back maybe that's what has made some of the victims not yet appear in this public forum, while we see the site is completely inactive now, not even there at all the good intentions of their team to make any clarifications in this forum or telegram, I personally believe that they are really out of this business.

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Quote from: Hispo on August 07, 2023, 09:05:35 AM

Around the internet I have seen anonymous groups of people, specially on Imageboards who have managed to identify potential criminals and people doing bad deeds only using as resource some pictures taken by the suspect himself and other digital leftover data, meta data of the pictures, etc.

The longest a casino operates and the biggest volume it has, it becomes increasingly difficult for their owners to stay in the shadows. I bet there are enough on-chain transaccions from and out Betnomi to link some wallets to exchange addresses and therefore, someone's identity. Even though I am in for privacy, I am not a supporter of taking other's money this way.

Betnomi also launch their giveaway with Ledger through raffle here in the forum. They ship personally the package to all the winners. The identity and address of the sender of the prize might be use as a clue to find the real owner because surely that person is working for Betnomi and has an information that will lead to the owner identity.

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Quote from: FatFork on August 07, 2023, 03:38:33 AM

Quote from: Hispo on August 06, 2023, 06:09:15 PM

Are victims actually going to let them get away with a small fortune so easily without trying to get some justice out of it? It would be a pity, it would only encourage more theft in the future.

Do we even know who was really behind this casino? I mean, I know we have a name, but it could be fake. Also, I'm not sure if his actual address or the country he's from is known.
I think someone should start a topic on the investigations board to help victims who are considering taking legal action and reporting this scam to the proper authorities.

Around the internet I have seen anonymous groups of people, specially on Imageboards who have managed to identify potential criminals and people doing bad deeds only using as resource some pictures taken by the suspect himself and other digital leftover data, meta data of the pictures, etc.

The longest a casino operates and the biggest volume it has, it becomes increasingly difficult for their owners to stay in the shadows. I bet there are enough on-chain transaccions from and out Betnomi to link some wallets to exchange addresses and therefore, someone's identity. Even though I am in for privacy, I am not a supporter of taking other's money this way.

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Quote from: Mahdirakib on August 05, 2023, 12:31:37 PM

Quote from: Betwrong on August 05, 2023, 05:12:56 AM

If someone knows more, please tell us here. In the posts above I still see no evidence of their bankruptcy or exit scam. I believe that it can take longer than we expected, but they will be back and we'll be playing poker on their amazing platform.

I know why you are saying this. You (all of us) have experienced a pretty similar situation of Betnomi in 2021. They had appeared with an update after a few months of silence on the forum. But the website was up and they were giving updates on their telegram group during then. Where the situation is completely different now. They have taken down the website, not replying to anyone on telegram, there is no update at any platform. Their history isn't good, just take your time and read this thread: The story of Betnomi.com (Exit Scam)

BTW, don't forget to check the skills of Betnomi admin. Sorsis has mentioned about his hacking skill on his LinkedIn profile too.

Being devil's advocate here, but hacking doesn't mean what people think it means. Hacking is not a criminal activity and whole terms comes from people who were tweaking with miniature train sets. After that it was used by people who were tech enthusiasts. People who were making machines and softwares do what they weren't supposed to do.

Cracker or black hat is a correct term for someone that has malicious intentions and are hacking (cracking is the original term for it) for personal financial gain illegally.

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Quote from: Hispo on August 06, 2023, 06:09:15 PM

Are victims actually going to let them get away with a small fortune so easily without trying to get some justice out of it? It would be a pity, it would only encourage more theft in the future.

Do we even know who was really behind this casino? I mean, I know we have a name, but it could be fake. Also, I'm not sure if his actual address or the country he's from is known.
I think someone should start a topic on the investigations board to help victims who are considering taking legal action and reporting this scam to the proper authorities.

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Quote from: arallmuus on August 06, 2023, 04:34:29 PM

Quote from: Hispo on August 06, 2023, 11:39:22 AM

Actually, those who have lost money should create a group so they can coordinate the pressing of charges against the staff of Betnomi.

Unless there is a large group of people and large amount of money being scammed then I guess this is never going to happen as it is a waste of time for some people. The fact is Betnomi is not one of the top casino that most people will go to and wager there so I assume only small amount of people probably wager there regularly and are left with couple hundreds in their balances or even less

Even if there was not in the top of the biggest casinos by volume of number of users, there must be thousands or even hundred of thousands of dollars in damages caused by this exit scam. Individually it may not the worth it to pursue them, but the solution is not to let scammers to away with this kind of disgusting behavior so easily, specially when they are not anonymous.

Are victims actually going to let them get away with a small fortune so easily without trying to get some justice out of it? It would be a pity, it would only encourage more theft in the future.

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Quote from: Hispo on August 06, 2023, 11:39:22 AM

Actually, those who have lost money should create a group so they can coordinate the pressing of charges against the staff of Betnomi.

Unless there is a large group of people and large amount of money being scammed then I guess this is never going to happen as it is a waste of time for some people. The fact is Betnomi is not one of the top casino that most people will go to and wager there so I assume only small amount of people probably wager there regularly and are left with couple hundreds in their balances or even less

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Quote from: yahoo62278 on August 05, 2023, 10:32:37 PM

Quote from: Hispo on August 05, 2023, 06:41:23 PM

Quote from: decodx on August 05, 2023, 01:43:01 PM

Quote from: Hispo on August 05, 2023, 11:31:31 AM

If they were profitable there was not reason to do this. Obviously.

We can't really know for sure. They might have been unprofitable, or maybe not. They ran some decent promotions on the forum and gave the impression that they had enough funds, up until the very end.

Ever since I joined this forum, I've read about some popular and long-lasting gambling platforms like YoloDice and Luckybit that shut down. It's not uncommon in the gambling world. But the owners of those platforms did the right thing, announcing the closure in advance, giving users time to withdraw their funds, and then closing down. Betnomi's owner, on the other hand, just disappeared without a word. Looks more like an exit scam to me rather than simply going bankrupt. But that's just my opinion.

It is an obvious exit scam, in my opinion. Giving people time to withdraw their money is the ABC of running a business which deals with other's funds.

I wonder whether police or authorities of any sort will somehow get involved and pursue the person behind all this, this is not an usual low profile scam, after all, we are talking about a casino stealing money for no apparent reason at first glance...

This would make anyone think twice before venturing into new services or even casinos of medium size...

For authorities to get involved, someone has to press charges. So far I have only seen 1 scam accusation pop up and not sure if that user has considered the police route. I'm sure some personal information could be found if companies were served warrants for personal information. Credit card companies or whomever sold the domain for example.

That is what I mean, we are talking about a casino, there must be enough information out there and digital footprint for anyone to track the people behind this service and exit scam.

Actually, those who have lost money should create a group so they can coordinate the pressing of charges against the staff of Betnomi.

Otherwise, if they go all around by themselves it is very unlikely one or two of them will achieve anything at all. It kind of reminds me the case of Yogg, people in the collectible section have most of his personal information and yet they have not managed to serve justice.

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Quote from: Hispo on August 05, 2023, 06:41:23 PM

Quote from: decodx on August 05, 2023, 01:43:01 PM

Quote from: Hispo on August 05, 2023, 11:31:31 AM

If they were profitable there was not reason to do this. Obviously.

We can't really know for sure. They might have been unprofitable, or maybe not. They ran some decent promotions on the forum and gave the impression that they had enough funds, up until the very end.

Ever since I joined this forum, I've read about some popular and long-lasting gambling platforms like YoloDice and Luckybit that shut down. It's not uncommon in the gambling world. But the owners of those platforms did the right thing, announcing the closure in advance, giving users time to withdraw their funds, and then closing down. Betnomi's owner, on the other hand, just disappeared without a word. Looks more like an exit scam to me rather than simply going bankrupt. But that's just my opinion.

It is an obvious exit scam, in my opinion. Giving people time to withdraw their money is the ABC of running a business which deals with other's funds.

I wonder whether police or authorities of any sort will somehow get involved and pursue the person behind all this, this is not an usual low profile scam, after all, we are talking about a casino stealing money for no apparent reason at first glance...

This would make anyone think twice before venturing into new services or even casinos of medium size...

For authorities to get involved, someone has to press charges. So far I have only seen 1 scam accusation pop up and not sure if that user has considered the police route. I'm sure some personal information could be found if companies were served warrants for personal information. Credit card companies or whomever sold the domain for example.

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Quote from: decodx on August 05, 2023, 01:43:01 PM

Quote from: Hispo on August 05, 2023, 11:31:31 AM

If they were profitable there was not reason to do this. Obviously.

We can't really know for sure. They might have been unprofitable, or maybe not. They ran some decent promotions on the forum and gave the impression that they had enough funds, up until the very end.

Ever since I joined this forum, I've read about some popular and long-lasting gambling platforms like YoloDice and Luckybit that shut down. It's not uncommon in the gambling world. But the owners of those platforms did the right thing, announcing the closure in advance, giving users time to withdraw their funds, and then closing down. Betnomi's owner, on the other hand, just disappeared without a word. Looks more like an exit scam to me rather than simply going bankrupt. But that's just my opinion.

It is an obvious exit scam, in my opinion. Giving people time to withdraw their money is the ABC of running a business which deals with other's funds.

I wonder whether police or authorities of any sort will somehow get involved and pursue the person behind all this, this is not an usual low profile scam, after all, we are talking about a casino stealing money for no apparent reason at first glance...

This would make anyone think twice before venturing into new services or even casinos of medium size...

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