Whats happening with Betnomi? - page 7.

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Quote from: arallmuus on August 11, 2023, 02:57:37 PM

Quote from: notblox1 on August 11, 2023, 12:00:10 PM

Only thing I dont understand is why are they keeping this telegram group alive when there is no activity at all.
Maybe they are planning to rename it in future with some different casino project name and they want to keep number of followers higher than starting from zero.

You can sell a telegram group channel but I dont think thats their intention. There is no reason for them to shut the group down as there is no merit to that and by keeping the channel they are giving that glimmer of 'hope' for people to believe that the site is going to come back. Personally I think they are gone but some people still have that glimmer of hope

I am not a member of betnomi telegram group, so I will like to ask arallmuus if their allow comments in the group or the telegram group is locked, because there can only be a gray of hope if the telegram group is active and members are allow to communicate there but that is all ball down to how the team keep up with interactions in the group.
I doubt that betnomi have such operational protocol and since their locked everything against the players I am sure the telegram group also will be useless by now, and all that member could do in the near future is to exit the group if no activities is happening there.

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Quote from: notblox1 on August 11, 2023, 12:00:10 PM

Only thing I dont understand is why are they keeping this telegram group alive when there is no activity at all.
Maybe they are planning to rename it in future with some different casino project name and they want to keep number of followers higher than starting from zero.

You can sell a telegram group channel but I dont think thats their intention. There is no reason for them to shut the group down as there is no merit to that and by keeping the channel they are giving that glimmer of 'hope' for people to believe that the site is going to come back. Personally I think they are gone but some people still have that glimmer of hope

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Quote from: ligz on July 02, 2023, 01:34:12 AM

Anyone know what is happening with Betnomi?
the sportsbook has not been working for over a week
and withdrawals have been pending for even longer.
Not just for me but for everyone.

I think that if you notice any challenges concerning their site you have to complain directly to the team to solve your problem, their is something I understand in gambling websites sometimes when they go for maintenance for few days some people will think that they are having issues, and if your notice was general or it affects everyone by now they will be a surplus complain from other people, but it is good that when you notice something in a site you have to give the site two or three days time in case they are into maintenance. On like bitcointalk that do have cyber error sometime so such thing is same like any other site

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Quote from: FatFork on August 11, 2023, 04:24:13 AM

Yes, I can confirm this because I tried to post a similar message. I asked if there were any members with active balances on Betnomi accounts to step forward and share their cases in the forum. However, my message was deleted almost instantly. This indicates that there are admins and mods who are actively monitoring their Telegram group.

Only thing I dont understand is why are they keeping this telegram group alive when there is no activity at all.
Maybe they are planning to rename it in future with some different casino project name and they want to keep number of followers higher than starting from zero.

Quote from: yahoo62278 on August 11, 2023, 04:45:05 AM

Of course i'm just speculating but would make sense. I'm kinda shocked the telegram is still open unless sorsis wasn't the creator. If someone else created the group, he may not be able to delete it.

I think there should be something called owner badge in telegram for person who created telegram group, this is different from admins.
Only owner can delete it.

Quote from: Mahdirakib on August 11, 2023, 10:25:33 AM

The group was created on January 2019, and the first message was from Sorsis which is still available in the group (check it). I believe that Sorsis was the creator of the group. Anyway, Betnomi have a telegram channel too: Betnomi Official.

Did sorsis also created that channel?

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Quote from: ryzaadit on August 11, 2023, 11:37:54 AM

Quote from: Eternad on August 11, 2023, 11:22:19 AM

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It's up to them, but they need to solve the previous case first + some of the negativity-comment are gonna still in their account. If from customer service, do I will play a casino who have a bad past history? off-course not even after the tragedy they're on good direction.

I couldn't agree more. They really need answer all the negativity and pending doubts against them in addition to all the existing user that has fund left on their casino that is now inaccessible.

I also agree on the last part because even I as a regular player before on Betcoin don't bother to visit anymore the website even with multiple promotional email being sent on my account. It's very hard to trust casino that already show red flag. Only new players will have a courage to explore them again.

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on August 11, 2023, 12:51:46 AM

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Quote from: Docnaster on August 10, 2023, 10:43:21 AM

If Betnomi wants to return, we shouldn't discourage them. Let us allow them to open withdrawal first and people withdraw their money before we talk about reputation.

Which world are you living in? A single mistake is enough to screw hard earned reputation in this scary world which is why Betnomi is done. Do you have any idea how much money some of the victims lost? Think!

Quote from: holydarkness on August 10, 2023, 10:56:38 PM

If you follow the threads, no one is discouraging them, the forum is encouraging them to return, urging them to solve the issues, where their [in]action itself has spoken for them and their reputation.

The only thing that Betnomi can do now is to release all the funds that they stole and ride off into the sunset.

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If Betnomi somehow realizes their mistakes and decide to they are coming back to amend and put everything is the perspective that is good, then for the sake of those who they are owing money, i think we should give them a second chance, they come pay, people everyone they are owing, continue with their business as before, and even if you are not going to be playing there due to lack of trust, i believe they are those who will still trust them enough to play there, allow those to play and lets see how it goes from there.

But anyways, i don't think this guys are ever coming back, it is unheard of that any company after rugging customers returned under the same title or name and continued their business.

It is wishful thinking, in my opinion. Nevertheless, we have already seen some cases of people who actually returned the money when initially they have the intention or opportunity to pull the rug and run away with all the money.

It happened with the main developer of Sushiswap, back in the day, he transferred all the ETH of the protocol to his own personal wallet, but later he realized his mistake and returned it all. It is an unlikely scenario and it becomes more and more unlikely as days pass and coins move.

Anyways, it is always a pity to see a service like this one to stain the name of crypto casinos, specially those new ones who just want to be a legitimate business in this highly competitive market .

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on August 11, 2023, 12:51:46 AM

If Betnomi somehow realizes their mistakes and decide to they are coming back to amend and put everything is the perspective that is good, then for the sake of those who they are owing money, i think we should give them a second chance, they come pay, people everyone they are owing, continue with their business as before, and even if you are not going to be playing there due to lack of trust, i believe they are those who will still trust them enough to play there, allow those to play and lets see how it goes from there.

I get your point, but I have no idea why anyone in their right mind would be willing to trust this scam site even if they restored their reputation later on when there are plenty of legit alternatives out there.

These idiots are the reason why cryptocurrencies keep getting a bad name again and again despite their clear advantages over FIAT.

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Quote from: yahoo62278 on August 11, 2023, 04:45:05 AM

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Still open, we can search it by public via telegram as well. They just only set-up the group chat message to one-hour + deleted any kind of message complain, scam post and other bad things about (Betnomi).

Quote from: Mahdirakib on August 11, 2023, 10:25:33 AM

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IMO, only for the creator or official team from (Betnomi). There is no single reason they're paying mod, by un-active activity paying only one person to handle/take care of their social community is already enough since their service is not running at this time.

Quote from: Eternad on August 11, 2023, 11:22:19 AM

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It's up to them, but they need to solve the previous case first + some of the negativity-comment are gonna still in their account. If from customer service, do I will play a casino who have a bad past history? off-course not even after the tragedy they're on good direction.

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Quote from: BitcoinGirl.Club on August 11, 2023, 11:02:57 AM

I don't think they are going to return ever again. Even if they does, I don't think anyone who are aware of what is happening for the last few weeks, will be interested to play with them. Betnomi destroyed their brand and only they can blame themselves for it.

Betcoin reputation becomes very bad here after multiple unresolved issues and many red flags activity in the forum. You can check this thread https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13507632 as referenced on all of their bad deeds before they change management to the current one.

Betcoin bad reputation stays there from 2016 to 2020 (I'm not sure on when the date Betcoin starts new management). This proves that forum acknowledges those casino that is honestly wants to improve there service. Betcoin is now back from being reputable here in the forum with an active signature campaign since their new management.

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Quote from: holydarkness on August 10, 2023, 10:56:38 PM

Quote from: Docnaster on August 10, 2023, 10:43:21 AM

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If Betnomi wants to return, we shouldn't discourage them. Let us allow them to open withdrawal first and people withdraw their money before we talk about reputation.

If you follow the threads, no one is discouraging them, the forum is encouraging them to return, urging them to solve the issues, where their [in]action itself has spoken for them and their reputation.

I don't think they are going to return ever again. Even if they does, I don't think anyone who are aware of what is happening for the last few weeks, will be interested to play with them. Betnomi destroyed their brand and only they can blame themselves for it.

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Quote from: BitcoinGirl.Club on July 02, 2023, 07:05:05 AM

Let's hope they are having some temporary hardship.

Exactly, I would have believed that they are facing some challenges but they would have informed the community so there would be no panic but with their muting respond it is very clear that they are not coming back again and they have gone which is very bad of them because they really invested a lot to broadcast that company in the community and beyond.

I trusted that casino company because it was trusted campaign manager was with them and the participants were good and they were pulling growd so why would they leave the business or is it that they are facing problem with their government and if it is something like that the representative would informwd the community what is happening so everyone would be informed.

You are quoting me an over a month old response. That time many people like me had a soft hope that they will sort out their things but no one believes it anymore.

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Quote from: FatFork on August 11, 2023, 04:24:13 AM

However, my message was deleted almost instantly. This indicates that there are admins and mods who are actively monitoring their Telegram group. Among them, ~snip~

I think they have kept a moderator to do the job and promised him to pay something if he/she can keep their reputation good there. I believe that a lot of messages have been deleted by Betnomi team from the telegram group. But they aren't deleting those messages where people are praising for Betnomi and giving positive hopes (screenshot).

Quote from: yahoo62278 on August 11, 2023, 04:45:05 AM

~ I'm kinda shocked the telegram is still open unless sorsis wasn't the creator. If someone else created the group, he may not be able to delete it.

The group was created on January 2019, and the first message was from Sorsis which is still available in the group (check it). I believe that Sorsis was the creator of the group. Anyway, Betnomi have a telegram channel too: Betnomi Official.

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Quote from: FatFork on August 11, 2023, 04:24:13 AM

Despite this, none of them have provided any useful information since this issue began.

The only people who has any knowledge is likely sorsis and possibly robs. The rest probably have no clue and are hoping that if they keep working, they might get paid. They cannot give you information they probably don't have.

Of course i'm just speculating but would make sense. I'm kinda shocked the telegram is still open unless sorsis wasn't the creator. If someone else created the group, he may not be able to delete it.

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Quote from: FatFork on August 11, 2023, 04:24:13 AM

Yes, I can confirm this because I tried to post a similar message. I asked if there were any members with active balances on Betnomi accounts to step forward and share their cases in the forum. However, my message was deleted almost instantly. This indicates that there are admins and mods who are actively monitoring their Telegram group. Among them, @sorsis (admin), @Betnomoon (mod), @alex_dzen (admin), @betnomi1 (admin), @pedalar (admin), and @RobsBRK (admin) have all displayed recent activity on Telegram. Despite this, none of them have provided any useful information since this issue began.

This is strange! They closed their website and scammed people but actively monitored their group so people could not speak against them. Do they plan to relaunch that platform, or maybe they want to use those members for a different purpose, like affiliate marketing, or forward them to a new platform? I wonder if the admin is paying their moderators to monitor the group.

I don't think anyone would work for free. Or maybe they were promised to get paid later. Or perhaps they are planning to relaunch the platform under a new brand? How long do we have to wait for the result? How long will they monitor the group and keep their reputation untouched?

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Quote from: notblox1 on August 10, 2023, 02:26:12 PM

Quote from: ryzaadit on August 10, 2023, 04:18:53 AM

I told them yesterday on telegram group, for the person who is victims or at-least has a balance left on (Betnomi) to create a flag/scam assumption on the bitcointalk. The message is getting deleted, and my account getting banned.

So this is a clear evidence there are moderators or owner in that telegram group.
There is no reasonable explanation why would they delete your message and ban you without any explanation, but I think they want to to make group more dead than it really is.
It is only a matter of time when more people will come to bitcointalk forum and open scam accusation against them.

Yes, I can confirm this because I tried to post a similar message. I asked if there were any members with active balances on Betnomi accounts to step forward and share their cases in the forum. However, my message was deleted almost instantly. This indicates that there are admins and mods who are actively monitoring their Telegram group. Among them, @sorsis (admin), @Betnomoon (mod), @alex_dzen (admin), @betnomi1 (admin), @pedalar (admin), and @RobsBRK (admin) have all displayed recent activity on Telegram. Despite this, none of them have provided any useful information since this issue began.

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Quote from: ryzaadit on August 10, 2023, 04:18:53 AM

Fun-fact about these.

I told them yesterday on telegram group, for the person who is victims or at least has a balance left on (Betnomi) to create a flag/scam assumption on the bitcointalk. The message is getting deleted, and my account getting banned.

It's just a clear indicator, they are online watching their group but don't just want to respond (especially for admin/mod).

So there are loads of people using Betnomi casino and none know about Bitcointalk forum? There are other ways to deal with these people, but it's going to take a load of work, I am not a victim and I feel sorry for those who fell into this scam.

I am sure that there are many users of Betnomi Casino using Reddit because I have seen a thread open on the platform where some people are talking about the experience at the casino, The reputation is gone and there is no coming back from that, if you have money on this casino I am sorry it's gone, because I don't think they are coming back with the way they are behaving.

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Quote from: 3kpk3 on August 11, 2023, 12:03:28 AM

Quote from: Docnaster on August 10, 2023, 10:43:21 AM

If Betnomi wants to return, we shouldn't discourage them. Let us allow them to open withdrawal first and people withdraw their money before we talk about reputation.

Which world are you living in? A single mistake is enough to screw hard earned reputation in this scary world which is why Betnomi is done. Do you have any idea how much money some of the victims lost? Think!

Quote from: holydarkness on August 10, 2023, 10:56:38 PM

If you follow the threads, no one is discouraging them, the forum is encouraging them to return, urging them to solve the issues, where their [in]action itself has spoken for them and their reputation.

The only thing that Betnomi can do now is to release all the funds that they stole and ride off into the sunset.

Well, in as much as i believe and agree with you that we live in a world where a single and simple mistake is enough to ruin the reputation of a person or organization, and that once reputation is gone, it is very hard to rebuild, but then, i still believe that we live in a world of second chances, yeah, some of us have made mistakes in the past and were given the liberty of a second chance, we amended our ways, corrected our wrongs and today, we are doing very well..

If Betnomi somehow realizes their mistakes and decide to they are coming back to amend and put everything is the perspective that is good, then for the sake of those who they are owing money, i think we should give them a second chance, they come pay, people everyone they are owing, continue with their business as before, and even if you are not going to be playing there due to lack of trust, i believe they are those who will still trust them enough to play there, allow those to play and lets see how it goes from there.

But anyways, i don't think this guys are ever coming back, it is unheard of that any company after rugging customers returned under the same title or name and continued their business.

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Quote from: piebeyb on August 10, 2023, 10:35:35 AM

Yeah right it seems that even though they are back of course people will withdraw money from the site then leave, because it's hard to believe in a platform site that has disappeared for several weeks without clarity, that's why I think it's time to put a sign and a flag for this problem, because it seems Betnomi not coming back for all its users waiting for them to come back.

That's the problem I think. Even if we give them the benefit of the doubt, if they come back trying to run the site, they'll be drained of customers, and it's almost easier for them to set up a new from scratch as rumour has it they may be doing.

Quote from: ryzaadit on August 10, 2023, 02:10:00 PM

I wrote a message on their telegram-group (for the victim, at least created a thread) but the message are getting deleted by the admin. Not even more than 24 hours for the message, basically they have time to delete & banned people's account who are complain to them but don't have time or give clarification for the issue.

That is a very bad sign. I feel sorry for all of you who have money there.

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Quote from: Docnaster on August 10, 2023, 10:43:21 AM

If Betnomi wants to return, we shouldn't discourage them. Let us allow them to open withdrawal first and people withdraw their money before we talk about reputation.

Which world are you living in? A single mistake is enough to screw hard earned reputation in this scary world which is why Betnomi is done. Do you have any idea how much money some of the victims lost? Think!

Quote from: holydarkness on August 10, 2023, 10:56:38 PM

If you follow the threads, no one is discouraging them, the forum is encouraging them to return, urging them to solve the issues, where their [in]action itself has spoken for them and their reputation.

The only thing that Betnomi can do now is to release all the funds that they stole and ride off into the sunset.

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Quote from: Docnaster on August 10, 2023, 10:43:21 AM

[...]
If Betnomi wants to return, we shouldn't discourage them. Let us allow them to open withdrawal first and people withdraw their money before we talk about reputation.

If you follow the threads, no one is discouraging them, the forum is encouraging them to return, urging them to solve the issues, where their [in]action itself has spoken for them and their reputation.

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Quote from: BitcoinGirl.Club on July 02, 2023, 07:05:05 AM

Let's hope they are having some temporary hardship.

Exactly, I would have believed that they are facing some challenges but they would have informed the community so there would be no panic but with their muting respond it is very clear that they are not coming back again and they have gone which is very bad of them because they really invested a lot to broadcast that company in the community and beyond.

I trusted that casino company because it was trusted campaign manager was with them and the participants were good and they were pulling growd so why would they leave the business or is it that they are facing problem with their government and if it is something like that the representative would informwd the community what is happening so everyone would be informed.

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