Why do Atheists Hate Religion? - page 294.

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Quote from: MakingMoneyHoney on November 11, 2015, 01:01:36 PM

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Quote from: MakingMoneyHoney on November 10, 2015, 09:55:03 PM

If just one person can believe in a religion and not want to kill anyone, then blaming religion for murders is wrong and you need to start blaming the people not their religion for the killings.

Double-edged sword here.

If just one person does not believe in a religion and does a good deed, then it's the person that must get credit for the good deed, not the irreligion. Effectively making religion obsolete; well the good deed parts anyway.

That's why we test the fruits of the spirit, not the words of the mouth to find true Christ-followers.

How so, MMH? You have said that "Christians believe that Christ is savior", but that is "just a belief", it is just words of the mouth. To follow the example of Jesus is to yield spiritual fruit. But to attest that he is your savior is nothing but talk; by the way, he never ONCE suggested that he was your savior.

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Quote from: Buffer Overflow on November 11, 2015, 05:10:24 AM

Quote from: MakingMoneyHoney on November 10, 2015, 09:55:03 PM

If just one person can believe in a religion and not want to kill anyone, then blaming religion for murders is wrong and you need to start blaming the people not their religion for the killings.

Double-edged sword here.

If just one person does not believe in a religion and does a good deed, then it's the person that must get credit for the good deed, not the irreligion. Effectively making religion obsolete; well the good deed parts anyway.

That's why we test the fruits of the spirit, not the words of the mouth to find true Christ-followers.

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Quote from: 1aguar on November 11, 2015, 12:44:56 PM

Quote from: vero on November 11, 2015, 11:39:16 AM

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Quote from: gampher on November 11, 2015, 06:39:26 AM

religion and atheism can do nothing ,its the top level guys always.
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You can slay the dragon, and you can topple Bablyon; you can even move mountains.
You don't need a religion (belief) to be able to find God as a personal experience;
just be aware of your higher consciousness: "be still and know that I AM GOD".

one individual's revolution outweighs all revolutions in all of history

Religion fills the need of man's inquisitiveness to explain things. Religion is the answer to questions that cannot (or could not) be answered through scientific evidence (mainly in earlier times).

Right, and in regards to religion, it is said that "faith is believing what you know ain't true".

People have said or written just about every short saying that can possibly be spoken or written. Why not express the rest? "Faith is believing what you don't know is true." There is a great difference in the meanings of these two expressions. The first is the expression of a liar. The second is the expression of an investigator.

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Quote from: vero on November 11, 2015, 11:39:16 AM

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Quote from: gampher on November 11, 2015, 06:39:26 AM

religion and atheism can do nothing ,its the top level guys always.
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You can slay the dragon, and you can topple Bablyon; you can even move mountains.
You don't need a religion (belief) to be able to find God as a personal experience;
just be aware of your higher consciousness: "be still and know that I AM GOD".

one individual's revolution outweighs all revolutions in all of history

Religion fills the need of man's inquisitiveness to explain things. Religion is the answer to questions that cannot (or could not) be answered through scientific evidence (mainly in earlier times).

Right, and in regards to religion, it is said that "faith is believing what you know ain't true". Today, we have a popular religion called the "Modern Synthesis of Evolutionary Biology". Evolutionists have been making the creationist mistake of allowing their theoretical framework to ossify into dogma and Darwin’s venerable theory is now slowly, methodically being exposed as the charade it was from its inception. Darwin’s gradual evolution was and is a myth that became a religion. It is based on three gaps in reasoning for which there is no scientific evidence. The first fallacy is that life can spontaneously animate from organic material...
Read more: http://www.lloydpye.com/essay_interventiontheory.htm

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Quote from: 1aguar on November 11, 2015, 12:27:07 PM

Quote from: BADecker on November 11, 2015, 11:33:46 AM

Even science proves that God exists, and nature around us shows us a lot about HIS nature.

I think one can learn a lot from observing; any one can see the reality of rebirth (transformation) and karma (action-reaction) just by observing nature.

There is rebirth in nature of a sort. The caterpillar to butterfly action appears to be a form of rebirth. Yet it is not really. Things happening in cycles are not rebirth, although the current happening resembles a previous one. It is never the same in the so-called rebirth of life. There are similarities, but never sameness.

Something like karma is visible in action and reaction, however the complete meaning of karma doesn't necessarily hold true. Rather, there is God Who has His fingers in everything, and metes out whatever reaction is appropriate for every action.

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Quote from: BADecker on November 11, 2015, 11:33:46 AM

Even science proves that God exists, and nature around us shows us a lot about HIS nature.

I think one can learn a lot from observing; any one can see the reality of rebirth (transformation) and karma (action-reaction) just by observing nature.

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Quote from: 1aguar on November 11, 2015, 11:29:16 AM

Quote from: gampher on November 11, 2015, 06:39:26 AM

religion and atheism can do nothing ,its the top level guys always.

You can slay the dragon, and you can topple Bablyon; you can even move mountains.
You don't need a religion (belief) to be able to find God as a personal experience;
just be aware of your higher consciousness: "be still and know that I AM GOD".

one individual's revolution outweighs all revolutions in all of history

Religion fills the need of man's inquisitiveness to explain things. Religion is the answer to questions that cannot (or could not) be answered through scientific evidence (mainly in earlier times).

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Quote from: 1aguar on November 11, 2015, 11:29:16 AM

Quote from: gampher on November 11, 2015, 06:39:26 AM

religion and atheism can do nothing ,its the top level guys always.
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You can slay the dragon, and you can topple Bablyon; you can even move mountains.
You don't need a religion (belief) to be able to find God as a personal experience;
just be aware of your higher consciousness: "be still and know that I AM GOD".

one individual's revolution outweighs all revolutions in all of history

Well, if you can find a dragon to slay... also, Babylon is already down, unless you mean the money system... and earth movers are constantly moving mountains...

Atheists don't even look for a personal experience. So, let's go where the atheists often look... to science. Even science proves that God exists, and nature around us shows us a lot about HIS nature.

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Quote from: gampher on November 11, 2015, 06:39:26 AM

religion and atheism can do nothing ,its the top level guys always.

You can slay the dragon, and you can topple Bablyon; you can even move mountains.
You don't need a religion (belief) to be able to find God as a personal experience;
just be aware of your higher consciousness: "be still and know that I AM GOD".

one individual's revolution outweighs all revolutions in all of history

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Quote from: gampher on November 11, 2015, 11:09:05 AM

Quote from: BADecker on November 11, 2015, 07:24:59 AM

Quote from: gampher on November 11, 2015, 06:39:26 AM

religion and atheism can do nothing ,its the top level guys always.
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If people are meant by top level guys, top level guys do only what has been programmed for them to do by cause and effect.

Even the firing of the neurons in their brains depends on all kinds of causes, like the food they eat, the water they drink, the amount of salt in their bodies, and loads of other things that are all predetermined. Why predetermined? Because, even though we have some theories that pure random might exist, and even though we have some quantum math that says that pure random DOES exist (remember, quantum can prove anything any which way), by far the greatest evidence (so strong that it is proof) is the example in nature expressed by Newton's 3rd Law.

People are simply 100% pawns in life, moved entirely according to the dictates of nature, and the real powers that be. The only exception to this is that God, in all this cause and effect, holds open a section of faith in Himself, in the heart of each person, and then God directs nature, based on the faith of the person, so that the person can SEEM to be moving and shaking the world.

Mankind without God, as a thinking, rational being, is next to nothing in knowledge and understanding.

what are you even saying now ? dont ever think god and nature are the same...god is bullshit fantasy.

That's a great, unscientific opinion, that God is BS and fantasy. Simply considering cause and effect in detail gives us a tremendous, scientific push towards understanding that God exists.

But you are right about God and nature not being the same. The universe and all nature are to God, like a terrarium is to a person in his house. In the case of God and the universe/terrarium, the terrarium is such that God can and has entered it.

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Quote from: BADecker on November 11, 2015, 07:24:59 AM

Quote from: gampher on November 11, 2015, 06:39:26 AM

religion and atheism can do nothing ,its the top level guys always.

If people are meant by top level guys, top level guys do only what has been programmed for them to do by cause and effect.

Even the firing of the neurons in their brains depends on all kinds of causes, like the food they eat, the water they drink, the amount of salt in their bodies, and loads of other things that are all predetermined. Why predetermined? Because, even though we have some theories that pure random might exist, and even though we have some quantum math that says that pure random DOES exist (remember, quantum can prove anything any which way), by far the greatest evidence (so strong that it is proof) is the example in nature expressed by Newton's 3rd Law.

People are simply 100% pawns in life, moved entirely according to the dictates of nature, and the real powers that be. The only exception to this is that God, in all this cause and effect, holds open a section of faith in Himself, in the heart of each person, and then God directs nature, based on the faith of the person, so that the person can SEEM to be moving and shaking the world.

Mankind without God, as a thinking, rational being, is next to nothing in knowledge and understanding.

what are you even saying now ? dont ever think god and nature are the same...god is bullshit fantasy.

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Quote from: BitNow on November 11, 2015, 07:28:08 AM

Quote from: BADecker on November 11, 2015, 07:24:59 AM

If people are meant by top level guys, top level guys do only what has been programmed for them to do by cause and effect.

Even the firing of the neurons in their brains depends on all kinds of causes, like the food they eat, the water they drink, the amount of salt in their bodies, and loads of other things that are all predetermined. Why predetermined? Because, even though we have some theories that pure random might exist, and even though we have some quantum math that says that pure random DOES exist (remember, quantum can prove anything any which way), by far the greatest evidence (so strong that it is proof) is the example in nature expressed by Newton's 3rd Law.

People are simply 100% pawns in life, moved entirely according to the dictates of nature, and the real powers that be. The only exception to this is that God, in all this cause and effect, holds open a section of faith in Himself, in the heart of each person, and then God directs nature, based on the faith of the person, so that the person can SEEM to be moving and shaking the world.

Mankind without God, as a thinking, rational being, is next to nothing in knowledge and understanding.

All this thinking just to avoid the Pope and his/her authority?

Best regards.

Ignoring all this thinking simply to justify bowing down to a Man... the Pope.

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Quote from: BitNow on November 11, 2015, 07:28:08 AM

All this thinking just to avoid the Pope and his/her authority?

What authority?

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Quote from: BADecker on November 11, 2015, 07:24:59 AM

If people are meant by top level guys, top level guys do only what has been programmed for them to do by cause and effect.

Even the firing of the neurons in their brains depends on all kinds of causes, like the food they eat, the water they drink, the amount of salt in their bodies, and loads of other things that are all predetermined. Why predetermined? Because, even though we have some theories that pure random might exist, and even though we have some quantum math that says that pure random DOES exist (remember, quantum can prove anything any which way), by far the greatest evidence (so strong that it is proof) is the example in nature expressed by Newton's 3rd Law.

People are simply 100% pawns in life, moved entirely according to the dictates of nature, and the real powers that be. The only exception to this is that God, in all this cause and effect, holds open a section of faith in Himself, in the heart of each person, and then God directs nature, based on the faith of the person, so that the person can SEEM to be moving and shaking the world.

Mankind without God, as a thinking, rational being, is next to nothing in knowledge and understanding.

All this thinking just to avoid the Pope and his/her authority?

Best regards.

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Quote from: gampher on November 11, 2015, 06:39:26 AM

religion and atheism can do nothing ,its the top level guys always.

If people are meant by top level guys, top level guys do only what has been programmed for them to do by cause and effect.

Even the firing of the neurons in their brains depends on all kinds of causes, like the food they eat, the water they drink, the amount of salt in their bodies, and loads of other things that are all predetermined. Why predetermined? Because, even though we have some theories that pure random might exist, and even though we have some quantum math that says that pure random DOES exist (remember, quantum can prove anything any which way), by far the greatest evidence (so strong that it is proof) is the example in nature expressed by Newton's 3rd Law.

People are simply 100% pawns in life, moved entirely according to the dictates of nature, and the real powers that be. The only exception to this is that God, in all this cause and effect, holds open a section of faith in Himself, in the heart of each person, and then God directs nature, based on the faith of the person, so that the person can SEEM to be moving and shaking the world.

Mankind without God, as a thinking, rational being, is next to nothing in knowledge and understanding.

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religion and atheism can do nothing ,its the top level guys always.

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Quote from: MakingMoneyHoney on November 10, 2015, 09:55:03 PM

If just one person can believe in a religion and not want to kill anyone, then blaming religion for murders is wrong and you need to start blaming the people not their religion for the killings.

Double-edged sword here.

If just one person does not believe in a religion and does a good deed, then it's the person that must get credit for the good deed, not the irreligion. Effectively making religion obsolete; well the good deed parts anyway.

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Quote from: RoomBot on November 10, 2015, 09:47:46 PM

CONCLUSION:

Millions of humans have been murdered, enslaved, persecuted and abused, either in the name of religion or in a reaction to it: Atheism.

Therefore religion is at the root of ALL of the above-listed massacres.

Even the "Atheist" ones.

BOOM.

If just one person can believe in a religion and not want to kill anyone, then blaming religion for murders is wrong and you need to start blaming the people not their religion for the killings.

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CONCLUSION:

Millions of humans have been murdered, enslaved, persecuted and abused, either in the name of religion or in a reaction to it: Atheism.

Therefore religion is at the root of ALL of the above-listed massacres.

Even the "Atheist" ones.

BOOM.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on November 10, 2015, 04:00:25 PM

Quote from: ridery99 on November 10, 2015, 12:52:27 AM

Actually biggest massacres in the history have been committed by atheists and their ideology

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Book_of_Communism

65 million in the People's Republic of China
20 million in the Soviet Union
2 million in Cambodia
2 million in North Korea
1.7 million in Ethiopia
1.5 million in Afghanistan
1 million in the Communist states of Eastern Europe
1 million in Vietnam......

And all of them overshadowed by the following:

150 million natives exterminated by the Catholics in the Americas in 16th century
100 million Hindus killed by Muslims during the Islamic conquest of India
90% of the Australian aborigines killed by the British Christians.

Religious people have killed at least 10x more people, when compared to the atheists.

These assertions are all false due to errors in the premises.

By this logic, I, an atheist in a "Christian country," would find my actions to be those of a Christian.

Similarly, the actions of a Christian in China would be found to be actions of an "atheist."

I don't think this error can be overcome by modification of the premises.

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