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legendary
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November 09, 2015, 09:35:52 PM

You need to remember Videodrome: purpose of BADecker is to save us all!


Best regards.

Why, thank you, BitNow. One of the nicest things you've said about me!

Smiley


You need to remember BADecker: this forum is full of atheist.

Protect yourself.


Best regards.

Thanks for the encouragement.

However, the atheists need more protection from you than they do from me. Why? Because I would give them a chance to see truth and change. You simply want them to die. So...

Protect yourself.

Smiley
legendary
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November 09, 2015, 08:49:27 PM

You need to remember Videodrome: purpose of BADecker is to save us all!


Best regards.

Why, thank you, BitNow. One of the nicest things you've said about me!

Smiley


You need to remember BADecker: this forum is full of atheist.

Protect yourself.


Best regards.
legendary
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November 08, 2015, 01:11:54 PM
simple answer:

an atheist hate the religions because the religions have maded to many deaths in history

You need to remember. Religious people have children. They make lots of lives, too.

You need to remember. The irreligious people killed by the religious people would have died anyway.

You need to think. When irreligious people die, they are being saved from doing more sins. Why? Because dead people can't sin. How is this important? This means that they will have less to be punished for in eternity. So religions that kill the irreligious are actually doing them a favor.

Without religion, nobody would be saved to have a glorious eternal life with God.

Without religion, the irreligious would pick up and slaughter each other anyway.

Smiley

You need to remember Videodrome: purpose of BADecker is to save us all!


Best regards.

Why, thank you, BitNow. One of the nicest things you've said about me!

Smiley
legendary
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November 08, 2015, 01:08:05 PM
simple answer:

an atheist hate the religions because the religions have maded to many deaths in history

You need to remember. Religious people have children. They make lots of lives, too.

You need to remember. The irreligious people killed by the religious people would have died anyway.

You need to think. When irreligious people die, they are being saved from doing more sins. Why? Because dead people can't sin. How is this important? This means that they will have less to be punished for in eternity. So religions that kill the irreligious are actually doing them a favor.

Without religion, nobody would be saved to have a glorious eternal life with God.

Without religion, the irreligious would pick up and slaughter each other anyway.

Smiley

You need to remember Videodrome: purpose of BADecker is to save us all!


Best regards.
legendary
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November 08, 2015, 12:56:07 PM
simple answer:

an atheist hate the religions because the religions have maded to many deaths in history

You need to remember. Religious people have children. They make lots of lives, too.

You need to remember. The irreligious people killed by the religious people would have died anyway.

You need to think. When irreligious people die, they are being saved from doing more sins. Why? Because dead people can't sin. How is this important? This means that they will have less to be punished for in eternity. So religions that kill the irreligious are actually doing them a favor.

Without religion, nobody would be saved to have a glorious eternal life with God.

Without religion, the irreligious would pick up and slaughter each other anyway.

Smiley
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November 08, 2015, 12:45:51 PM
simple answer:

an atheist hate the religions because the religions have maded to many deaths in history
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November 08, 2015, 11:25:52 AM
Not all atheists do hate religion. I'm an atheist and I don't.
legendary
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November 07, 2015, 10:30:48 PM

i do not hate it, i just don`t do it.
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November 07, 2015, 10:15:55 PM
Exactly! Another way of saying my point. We should not execute non-violent atheists simply because they are atheists. Rather, we should hold out eternal life to them. If they won't turn, God will judge them by throwing them into the Lake of Fire along with the devil and his angels, as the Revelation says.

Smiley

The only reason Jesus hasn't come back yet, is because they are waiting for more converts.

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

As soon as there will be no converts repenting, I believe that is the moment He will return.


Alright, I'm coming....

http://zoidberg.eu/Zoidberg_jesus.jpg
legendary
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November 06, 2015, 10:03:22 PM
But, but, but...  We gotta let the scientists rule. After all, think of all the unemployment if the truth came out, that science is quackery.

Think of all those particle accelerators that are finding new subatomic particles... or are they creating them? We'll never know. Only the word of the scientists exists to determine this. But it all comes out of our tax dollars.

Smiley
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November 06, 2015, 05:01:52 PM
To be honest i don't believe in any immortal soul, Karma or Cosmic justice. I think That study is total BS. If you believe in any of those you are not an atheist
I would take it more seriously if they asked atheists and not agnostics
I do believe in karma because there is a significant weight of scientific evidence suggesting that consciousness is NOT produced by the brain.

I think it is likely you do not understand that NDEs are a medical anomaly.

If researchers could prove that clinically dead patients, with no electrical activity in their cortex, can be aware of events around them and form memories, this would suggest that the brain does not generate consciousness.

In the AWARE study, consciousness and awareness appeared to occur during a three-minute period when there was no heartbeat. This is paradoxical, since the brain typically ceases functioning within 20-30 seconds of the heart stopping and doesn’t resume again until the heart has been restarted.

Read more:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12899128
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November 06, 2015, 03:48:56 PM
To be honest i don't believe in any immortal soul, Karma or Cosmic justice. I think That study is total BS. If you believe in any of those you are not an atheist
I would take it more seriously if they asked atheists and not agnostics
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November 06, 2015, 03:39:01 PM
Evolutionary explanations of the origin of religion utterly fail to explain the totality of religious experience and belief.

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evidence from several disciplines indicates that what you actually believe is not a decision you make for yourself. Your fundamental beliefs are decided by much deeper levels of consciousness, and some may well be more or less set in stone.

This line of thought has led to some scientists claiming that "atheism is psychologically impossible because of the way humans think," says Graham Lawton, an avowed atheist himself, writing in the New Scientist. "They point to studies showing, for example, that even people who claim to be committed atheists tacitly hold religious beliefs, such as the existence of an immortal soul."

This shouldn't come as a surprise, since we are born believers, not atheists, scientists say. Humans are pattern-seekers from birth, with a belief in karma, or cosmic justice, as our default setting. "A slew of cognitive traits predisposes us to faith," writes Pascal Boyer in Nature, the science journal, adding that people "are only aware of some of their religious ideas".

http://www.evolutionnews.org/2014/08/evolutionary_st088461.html
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November 06, 2015, 03:18:23 PM
Religion is boring, stupid, antiquated, deeply sexist, willfully ignorant, and cruel.

You forgot about joke and prank Smiley

and about Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster - the best religion in the world!!!

Ramen Brothers and Sisters!

Ramen!
By the way. New studies shows that religious people are less generous than atheists
http://www.economist.com/news/science-and-technology/21677613-far-bolstering-generosity-religious-upbringing-diminishes-it-matthew-2239
No big surprise there.

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November 05, 2015, 09:57:56 AM
Exactly! Another way of saying my point. We should not execute non-violent atheists simply because they are atheists. Rather, we should hold out eternal life to them. If they won't turn, God will judge them by throwing them into the Lake of Fire along with the devil and his angels, as the Revelation says.

Smiley

The only reason Jesus hasn't come back yet, is because they are waiting for more converts.

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

As soon as there will be no converts repenting, I believe that is the moment He will return.

Well, yes, but a second reason is that the prophesies may not all have been fulfilled yet. For example, not every tribe in the deep, dark jungles of the world have had a chance to hear the Word yet. True, this is giving the world a chance, as you said. But it is also fulfilling prophesy.

Jesus said in Matthew 24:14:
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And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

Smiley

When we get to the point that no one would be preached to anymore, then no one will convert. They go along with each other nicely. With the invention of the internet, I think we're probably at least in the high 90s percentage on that one already. There's no way to measure whether a person has been preached to. I think it includes those who feel close to the Holy Spirit, and make good choices too. It says all, but you know there will be babies taken who have never heard (understood at the least!) the gospel the way we think of it.
legendary
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November 05, 2015, 09:43:47 AM
Exactly! Another way of saying my point. We should not execute non-violent atheists simply because they are atheists. Rather, we should hold out eternal life to them. If they won't turn, God will judge them by throwing them into the Lake of Fire along with the devil and his angels, as the Revelation says.

Smiley

The only reason Jesus hasn't come back yet, is because they are waiting for more converts.

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

As soon as there will be no converts repenting, I believe that is the moment He will return.

Well, yes, but a second reason is that the prophesies may not all have been fulfilled yet. For example, not every tribe in the deep, dark jungles of the world have had a chance to hear the Word yet. True, this is giving the world a chance, as you said. But it is also fulfilling prophesy.

Jesus said in Matthew 24:14:
Quote
And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

Smiley
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November 05, 2015, 09:34:39 AM
Exactly! Another way of saying my point. We should not execute non-violent atheists simply because they are atheists. Rather, we should hold out eternal life to them. If they won't turn, God will judge them by throwing them into the Lake of Fire along with the devil and his angels, as the Revelation says.

Smiley

The only reason Jesus hasn't come back yet, is because they are waiting for more converts.

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

As soon as there will be no converts repenting, I believe that is the moment He will return.
legendary
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November 05, 2015, 09:22:05 AM
If you're busy, lets just take the points one at a time.

You said:

I'm not shy: it's called fear of God.

Fear of God leads to Science.

Science is what we all are trying to achieve here.

I wrote in response:

Religion is the opposite of science. I don't know what you're referring to, but it's not science. Science requires one to be able to change one's mind if facts change. Dogmatic religions - by definition - can't do that.

To summarise: How do you make religion follow the scientific method?


By following the numbers.

Well no, that seems to be numerology, not science.

If you meant something different, you need to explain what you mean. For example, the science of biology is not "follow the DNA".

Precisely: every time I speak about technology I find an atheist putting me in a dead end.

I never arrive to the decision: how do you make religion follow the scientific method.


Best regards.




How doing a sin is doing all of them?

Where do you find rationality in 1 is 613?

1 is 1.

613 is 613.


Best regards.

The rationality is that God says it through James 2:10.

If you don't want to believe all the Bible, then how will you believe any of it? You can't simply pick and choose the parts of the Bible that you are going to believe. Either you believe the Bible or you don't.

If you don't believe the Bible, then your whole faith in the Pope is a lie. Why? Because you are basing your faith in the Pope on what the Bible says about him, even if your understanding of it is wrong.

Smiley

"Do not murder."
- Ex 20:13

Killing myself will be murdering.

Saying that doing a sin is doing them all is not rationality is a law said by James.

The laws are the laws of the LORD: they are 613 (summarised in the 10 Commandments in Christianity - source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/613_commandments).

There is no law in the 613 made by God that says: "doing 1 sin is doing them all".

Jews people they still follow the 613 laws made by God in the old testament, they do not believe in the new testament: do you think you are better than the Jews because you have more laws to follow?


Best regards.




If you don't accept James, how can you accept the Bible, of which James is a part? In such an instance, your idea of using Bible Law to condemn anyone is completely flawed.

James goes on to say in James 2:11-13:
Quote
For he who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” If you do not commit adultery but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker.

Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom, because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment!
In other words, if you are a law-breaker, you deserve punishment for being a law-breaker, no matter what law you broke. However, the law of mercy through the salvation provided by Jesus overcomes the judgment of the Law.

----------

Jesus said in Matthew 7:12:
Quote
So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.
Note that showing mercy to the atheist just as you would have mercy shown to yourself, is what the Law and the Prophets of the Old testament are all about.

----------

Jesus says in Matthew 22:37-40:
Quote
“‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
Again, all the Law and the Prophets of the Old Testament hang on the idea of love. Is it love to want to put atheists to death? Rather, isn't it love to get them to turn, and to start believing in God, so that they can be saved?

----------

Luke 16:16,17
Quote
“The Law and the Prophets were proclaimed until John [the Baptist, Ed.]. Since that time, the good news of the kingdom of God is being preached, and everyone is forcing his way into it. It is easier for heaven and earth to disappear than for the least stroke of a pen to drop out of the Law.
Even the Law gives way to the Gospel of salvation, rather than death. The Law will only disappear when the heavens and the earth pass away. Think of how strong the Gospel is that is even stronger than the Law!

----------

If you do not turn and believe what the Bible says, you are not only wrong, but you are also throwing your salvation away. This is the thing that happens to people who follow the Pope in a dedicated way. Why? Because the Pope is not of God.


Smiley
The law has been fulfilled by Jesus Christ. Remember, Jesus said that he came to fullfill the law, not to change it.
It had been fulfilled, there is nothing more we can do or not do about the law. Sort of a case dismissed in a courtroom.
Heaven and eternal life are achievied by Grace alone, no more law.

Exactly! Another way of saying my point. We should not execute non-violent atheists simply because they are atheists. Rather, we should hold out eternal life to them. If they won't turn, God will judge them by throwing them into the Lake of Fire along with the devil and his angels, as the Revelation says.

Smiley
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November 05, 2015, 09:16:44 AM
If you're busy, lets just take the points one at a time.

You said:

I'm not shy: it's called fear of God.

Fear of God leads to Science.

Science is what we all are trying to achieve here.

I wrote in response:

Religion is the opposite of science. I don't know what you're referring to, but it's not science. Science requires one to be able to change one's mind if facts change. Dogmatic religions - by definition - can't do that.

To summarise: How do you make religion follow the scientific method?


By following the numbers.

Well no, that seems to be numerology, not science.

If you meant something different, you need to explain what you mean. For example, the science of biology is not "follow the DNA".

Precisely: every time I speak about technology I find an atheist putting me in a dead end.

I never arrive to the decision: how do you make religion follow the scientific method.


Best regards.




How doing a sin is doing all of them?

Where do you find rationality in 1 is 613?

1 is 1.

613 is 613.


Best regards.

The rationality is that God says it through James 2:10.

If you don't want to believe all the Bible, then how will you believe any of it? You can't simply pick and choose the parts of the Bible that you are going to believe. Either you believe the Bible or you don't.

If you don't believe the Bible, then your whole faith in the Pope is a lie. Why? Because you are basing your faith in the Pope on what the Bible says about him, even if your understanding of it is wrong.

Smiley

"Do not murder."
- Ex 20:13

Killing myself will be murdering.

Saying that doing a sin is doing them all is not rationality is a law said by James.

The laws are the laws of the LORD: they are 613 (summarised in the 10 Commandments in Christianity - source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/613_commandments).

There is no law in the 613 made by God that says: "doing 1 sin is doing them all".

Jews people they still follow the 613 laws made by God in the old testament, they do not believe in the new testament: do you think you are better than the Jews because you have more laws to follow?


Best regards.




If you don't accept James, how can you accept the Bible, of which James is a part? In such an instance, your idea of using Bible Law to condemn anyone is completely flawed.

James goes on to say in James 2:11-13:
Quote
For he who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” If you do not commit adultery but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker.

Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom, because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment!
In other words, if you are a law-breaker, you deserve punishment for being a law-breaker, no matter what law you broke. However, the law of mercy through the salvation provided by Jesus overcomes the judgment of the Law.

----------

Jesus said in Matthew 7:12:
Quote
So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.
Note that showing mercy to the atheist just as you would have mercy shown to yourself, is what the Law and the Prophets of the Old testament are all about.

----------

Jesus says in Matthew 22:37-40:
Quote
“‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
Again, all the Law and the Prophets of the Old Testament hang on the idea of love. Is it love to want to put atheists to death? Rather, isn't it love to get them to turn, and to start believing in God, so that they can be saved?

----------

Luke 16:16,17
Quote
“The Law and the Prophets were proclaimed until John [the Baptist, Ed.]. Since that time, the good news of the kingdom of God is being preached, and everyone is forcing his way into it. It is easier for heaven and earth to disappear than for the least stroke of a pen to drop out of the Law.
Even the Law gives way to the Gospel of salvation, rather than death. The Law will only disappear when the heavens and the earth pass away. Think of how strong the Gospel is that is even stronger than the Law!

----------

If you do not turn and believe what the Bible says, you are not only wrong, but you are also throwing your salvation away. This is the thing that happens to people who follow the Pope in a dedicated way. Why? Because the Pope is not of God.


Smiley
The law has been fulfilled by Jesus Christ. Remember, Jesus said that he came to fullfill the law, not to change it.
It had been fulfilled, there is nothing more we can do or not do about the law. Sort of a case dismissed in a courtroom.
Heaven and eternal life are achievied by Grace alone, no more law.
legendary
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November 05, 2015, 09:04:12 AM
If you're busy, lets just take the points one at a time.

You said:

I'm not shy: it's called fear of God.

Fear of God leads to Science.

Science is what we all are trying to achieve here.

I wrote in response:

Religion is the opposite of science. I don't know what you're referring to, but it's not science. Science requires one to be able to change one's mind if facts change. Dogmatic religions - by definition - can't do that.

To summarise: How do you make religion follow the scientific method?


By following the numbers.

Well no, that seems to be numerology, not science.

If you meant something different, you need to explain what you mean. For example, the science of biology is not "follow the DNA".

Precisely: every time I speak about technology I find an atheist putting me in a dead end.

I never arrive to the decision: how do you make religion follow the scientific method.


Best regards.




How doing a sin is doing all of them?

Where do you find rationality in 1 is 613?

1 is 1.

613 is 613.


Best regards.

The rationality is that God says it through James 2:10.

If you don't want to believe all the Bible, then how will you believe any of it? You can't simply pick and choose the parts of the Bible that you are going to believe. Either you believe the Bible or you don't.

If you don't believe the Bible, then your whole faith in the Pope is a lie. Why? Because you are basing your faith in the Pope on what the Bible says about him, even if your understanding of it is wrong.

Smiley

"Do not murder."
- Ex 20:13

Killing myself will be murdering.

Saying that doing a sin is doing them all is not rationality is a law said by James.

The laws are the laws of the LORD: they are 613 (summarised in the 10 Commandments in Christianity - source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/613_commandments).

There is no law in the 613 made by God that says: "doing 1 sin is doing them all".

Jews people they still follow the 613 laws made by God in the old testament, they do not believe in the new testament: do you think you are better than the Jews because you have more laws to follow?


Best regards.




If you don't accept James, how can you accept the Bible, of which James is a part? In such an instance, your idea of using Bible Law to condemn anyone is completely flawed.

James goes on to say in James 2:11-13:
Quote
For he who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” If you do not commit adultery but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker.

Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom, because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment!
In other words, if you are a law-breaker, you deserve punishment for being a law-breaker, no matter what law you broke. However, the law of mercy through the salvation provided by Jesus overcomes the judgment of the Law.

----------

Jesus said in Matthew 7:12:
Quote
So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.
Note that showing mercy to the atheist just as you would have mercy shown to yourself, is what the Law and the Prophets of the Old testament are all about.

----------

Jesus says in Matthew 22:37-40:
Quote
“‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
Again, all the Law and the Prophets of the Old Testament hang on the idea of love. Is it love to want to put atheists to death? Rather, isn't it love to get them to turn, and to start believing in God, so that they can be saved?

----------

Luke 16:16,17
Quote
“The Law and the Prophets were proclaimed until John [the Baptist, Ed.]. Since that time, the good news of the kingdom of God is being preached, and everyone is forcing his way into it. It is easier for heaven and earth to disappear than for the least stroke of a pen to drop out of the Law.
Even the Law gives way to the Gospel of salvation, rather than death. The Law will only disappear when the heavens and the earth pass away. Think of how strong the Gospel is that is even stronger than the Law!

----------

If you do not turn and believe what the Bible says, you are not only wrong, but you are also throwing your salvation away. This is the thing that happens to people who follow the Pope in a dedicated way. Why? Because the Pope is not of God.


Smiley
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