[XC][XCurrency] Decentralised Trustless Privacy Platform / Encrypted XChat / Pos - page 245.

Janitor

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Quote from: synechist on October 02, 2014, 08:02:27 AM

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Quote from: atcsecure on October 01, 2014, 05:05:16 PM

The node would have been an XMIXER

XMIXER requires 1000 XC,
XNODE requires 0?

Correct

What is the default? I have 1001 XC but the mining icon is green and it says "Minting" (and the elusive reward is *always* 15-20 hours way).
Is it necessary to have "-distmix-autonode" to be XNODE? I remember that was suggested 2-3 weeks ago, but I don't know which mode is better now.

-distmix-autonode is to be an Xmixer.

Every node (including Xmixers) are Xnodes, since they all use the end-to-end encrypted, serverless Xnode protocol.

For a normal node, you need no minimum balance and you shouldn't run -distmix-autonode.

For staking, don't run an Xmixer. For transaction fees, run an XMixer.

All right, thank you. Now I do not have -distmix-autonode but I'm mining. That's something I don't understand.
My shortcut has a few addnode + one maxconnections parameter, that's all.
I'm on v0.9.2.49.08.XCurrency-REV2.

hoertest

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Quote from: synechist on October 02, 2014, 07:15:48 AM

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Oh i forgot. its a long term investment. so our pathetic volume right now is something to joke about cause at least our little group of buddys can use group chat now.

Remeber mintpal is down for 24hours

oh give me a break with f***ng mintpal. doesn't hurt others that much.

I agree, we need more volume, otherwise people might start leaving XC and that will result in a price drop that XC will probably not recover from.

I don't think that's true. XC's tech is so strong that the price at any given point is completely unimportant. Tech like this is incredibly valuable; it's just a matter of when external factors coincide to facilitate the price coming to reflect its true value.

define external factor please. Just do me a favor and keep the PR releases more in peoples language . Probably stupid language to your standards Wink

. will do wonders to grow the community.
We had this discussion a few pages back if you wanna check it out.

External factors: Bitcoin's downtrend, Summer, FUD, etc.

Yes, I've been reading up on the past few pages and it's a pity I missed that conversation. It's valuable to me to hear how people experience XC's PR.

I agree that "people's language" is more accessible, and this will be important when XC starts marketing XChat. The focus in the past has been to establish the following:
- XC's legitimacy
- The superiority of XC's tech
- an understanding of XC's tech

This, in my opinion, is best done by writing in a more formal and academic style. Such a style addresses security experts and the intellectual cryptographer community, and its tone is professional, serious, and clear.

In contrast, marketing XChat would be done in an entirely different way, in simple, friendly, normal language. But since we haven't launched, this is a phase XC has not entered yet.

I think security experts and Intelectual cryptographers while important to reach don't make or break a coin. people do. the tech is important but not all. its also about momentum and group dynamics and you won't get that to XC by catering the PR to such a small elite group alone. i feel people start to develope a defensive stance to XC because of that.

I think the currency is just as or even more an everyday lifestyle product like the Chat so please consider adapting some of your laid out marketing concepts for Xchat also for XCurrency ( XPay ? )

I agree completely with all of that.

The only thing I would add is that marketing is a narrative. It has structure. You cannot start anywhere, you have to start where a brand is at.

When I started on "X11coin", the task was to establish its legitimacy after the avalanche of FUD its had endured had subsided. What has resulted is XCurrency as we know it today: a tech leader. The task was legitimacy and tech-oriented. Hence the style of the PR.

It would have made no sense to engage in normal/friendly "buy our product" type of communication, because the public had no trust in X11coin at that stage.

Furthermore, XC's roadmap has its own narrative: first the foundation (Xnodes, multipath, meshnet...), and then the mainstream-friendly apps. We're not at the mainstream stage yet, and so the marketing hasn't started.

I appreciate your frustration at the price's stability. It's frustrating to me too that it hasn't gone up 1000% as it ought to. But XC is a long-term investment. It's a matter of when, not if. And the mainstream-friendly marketing in "normal" language will come.

It would have gone up way more with a little normal/friendly "buy our product" mixed in. I sometimes have the impression you guys think you can just put on a switch and "maintream" adoption will kick in. If you can pull that of . Respect. would be a first timer.
How do you define the mainstream. people that are not into crypto yet? bitcoin only users? I'm not frsutrated with the price so much as with the lack of community growth.

You know who knows XC as the tech leader right now. the same ten dudes in here writing back and forth about how great XC is wondering why nobody seems to realise.

synechist

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To commodify ethicality is to ethicise the market

Quote from: Janitor on October 02, 2014, 07:58:45 AM

Quote from: atcsecure on October 01, 2014, 05:20:20 PM

Quote from: illodin on October 01, 2014, 05:13:46 PM

Quote from: atcsecure on October 01, 2014, 05:05:16 PM

The node would have been an XMIXER

XMIXER requires 1000 XC,
XNODE requires 0?

Correct

What is the default? I have 1001 XC but the mining icon is green and it says "Minting" (and the elusive reward is *always* 15-20 hours way).
Is it necessary to have "-distmix-autonode" to be XNODE? I remember that was suggested 2-3 weeks ago, but I don't know which mode is better now.

-distmix-autonode is to be an Xmixer.

Every node (including Xmixers) are Xnodes, since they all use the end-to-end encrypted, serverless Xnode protocol.

For a normal node, you need no minimum balance and you shouldn't run -distmix-autonode.

For staking, don't run an Xmixer. For transaction fees, run an XMixer.

Janitor

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Quote from: atcsecure on October 01, 2014, 05:20:20 PM

Quote from: illodin on October 01, 2014, 05:13:46 PM

Quote from: atcsecure on October 01, 2014, 05:05:16 PM

The node would have been an XMIXER

XMIXER requires 1000 XC,
XNODE requires 0?

Correct

What is the default? I have 1001 XC but the mining icon is green and it says "Minting" (and the elusive reward is *always* 15-20 hours way).
Is it necessary to have "-distmix-autonode" to be XNODE? I remember that was suggested 2-3 weeks ago, but I don't know which mode is better now.

jibble

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Quote from: hoertest on October 02, 2014, 07:01:51 AM

Quote from: synechist on October 02, 2014, 06:44:21 AM

Quote from: hoertest on October 02, 2014, 06:34:30 AM

Quote from: synechist on October 02, 2014, 05:37:02 AM

Quote from: Mountaingoat on October 02, 2014, 05:32:29 AM

Quote from: hoertest on October 02, 2014, 05:05:00 AM

Quote from: Teka on October 02, 2014, 05:02:10 AM

Quote from: hoertest on October 02, 2014, 05:01:07 AM

Oh i forgot. its a long term investment. so our pathetic volume right now is something to joke about cause at least our little group of buddys can use group chat now.

Remeber mintpal is down for 24hours

oh give me a break with f***ng mintpal. doesn't hurt others that much.

I agree, we need more volume, otherwise people might start leaving XC and that will result in a price drop that XC will probably not recover from.

I don't think that's true. XC's tech is so strong that the price at any given point is completely unimportant. Tech like this is incredibly valuable; it's just a matter of when external factors coincide to facilitate the price coming to reflect its true value.

define external factor please. Just do me a favor and keep the PR releases more in peoples language . Probably stupid language to your standards Wink

. will do wonders to grow the community.
We had this discussion a few pages back if you wanna check it out.

External factors: Bitcoin's downtrend, Summer, FUD, etc.

Yes, I've been reading up on the past few pages and it's a pity I missed that conversation. It's valuable to me to hear how people experience XC's PR.

I agree that "people's language" is more accessible, and this will be important when XC starts marketing XChat. The focus in the past has been to establish the following:
- XC's legitimacy
- The superiority of XC's tech
- an understanding of XC's tech

This, in my opinion, is best done by writing in a more formal and academic style. Such a style addresses security experts and the intellectual cryptographer community, and its tone is professional, serious, and clear.

In contrast, marketing XChat would be done in an entirely different way, in simple, friendly, normal language. But since we haven't launched, this is a phase XC has not entered yet.

I think security experts and Intelectual cryptographers while important to reach don't make or break a coin. people do. the tech is important but not all. its also about momentum and group dynamics and you won't get that to XC by catering the PR to such a small elite group alone. i feel people start to develope a defensive stance to XC because of that.

I think the currency is just as or even more an everyday lifestyle product like the Chat so please consider adapting some of your laid out marketing concepts for Xchat also for XCurrency ( XPay ? )

being able to independently verify apparently trustless anon tech is exactly what will make the coin. The very nature of what XC is trying to do relies on people being able to verify it.

They also are trusted because of their skills and abilities, one could argue very strongly that these security experts have the most amount of people listening and trusting their opinions .

Do you listen to someone who is an amateur crypto investor trading 0.1 btc here and there saying "BUY THIS COIN"

Or if someone gives you clear precise reasons to invest in a coin and has also invested a large amount themselves and have been doing it for years.

Which one has the most follows and people that trust their opinion?

When Dan reviewed codes for other anon coins, He was a single person, his single action created buzz and price and volume increases to any coin he reviewed , This was a single person, that after reviewing caused the "group" to act accordingly. the security experts and the group dynamics go hand in hand with each other, The more skilled a person is, the more people follow and listen, meaning the information is spread to a larger group of people.