Topic: [overview] Lauda's DefaultTrust statistics & relevant topics list (Read 2106 times)

Fuck that LOL A lot will be kicked out of the campaigns!

If that occurs, then I'd probably be providing the statistics and requesting a quote from you in a year from now  

Until then, this isn't the case and I don't think it will be. There are many theoretical "what if" scenarios, but personally I'm more interested in "what is" scenarios (the present), as there are enough of them already without needing to speculate on the potential future. If the present scenarios are dealt with then the future will likely follow suit. Speculating too much on the future means you're not focusing on the present imo. Not to say theoretical scenarios are irrelevant, but they might take some time to mature to becoming relevant.


All negative strength users can be found within the "elected" and "un-elected" graphs: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/overview-dt1-positive-negative-strength-statistics-5256829
I wasn't intending to do this per week, as shifting users from sheet to sheet is a bit annoying, but intending to do so after each DT update when more changes occur.

I still think Lauda gets excluded because Lauda stirred up too many users. That's like being the opposite of Switzerland and increases the number of exclusions because more and more different users get a say in DT1. What if in the near future there are 15 users like peloso on DT1? All with DT1-strength -15. And what if they all decide to do this:
They'll all be back on DT1!
Retaliation is not a big problem if only a few users do it, but when it becomes a majority, the DT-system fails.

Any chance you can make a graph on the number of DT1-members with negative strength per week? My gut feeling tells me it's slowly increasing.

I agree with LoyceV on this one, surely the fact that this user is on -15 shows that what they are doing isn't working, and causing more members to distrust him? I could be wrong, but it seems like there are lots of eyes on this users dubious use of the trust system. Specifically, about 22 DT1 & DT1 members, who collectively should be more than capable of reversing any exclusions/inclusions made. Possibly more relevant to the topic, this user's DT2 strength would be -14, as they are excluded by 1 more DT1 member than included. If this "shithead" (as you kindly put it) was dropped or blacklisted from DT1 then they still wouldn't be on DT2 either. This is very different from the cat's inclusions & exclusions, as this feline would still be on -1 DT1 strength if not blacklisted from DT1. See the difference here?


Merit-based exclusions would clearly wreak havoc on the trust system as you considered, probably also dropping the number of eligible members in half I'd imagine. While I know many DT1 members feel that the number of members on DT1 should be reduced considerably, it would be much more prone to trust abuse from merited sock puppets, than the current conditions imo. It'd be easier to generate exclusions than the current conditions of generating inclusions, if merit took precedent over DT1 strength, which is what you're suggesting.

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Indeed, this was the quote I was looking for. Probably didn't find it as it's nearly a year old now  

Good luck with that voting block idea.   


I was DT1 (-16) just a few weeks ago thanks in part to persons such as your good self who have peddled in accounts here in the BitCoinTalk Forum which causes instability in people's lives here and in real life.  At the moment I'm DT1 (-7) so yes, the current DT system works as it actually distils not strengthens the damage account traders have here in this forum.

Most if not all of those who distrust me have at one point or another peddled BCT UID's, yourself included which is why I am not concerned.  Sixteen is just a number, so is seven.

Maybe, if the intent was to allow such users to extort other DT1 users. They can't directly affect DT ratings but still can do so indirectly, for example by including someone who is at -1 or excluding someone who is at 0 in DT1.

Your graph nicely confirms what I expected to happen back then. And you probably couldn't find it because I posted it from Mobile:

Isn't his -15 DT1-strength evidence of the DT-system working as intended?

I'd like to see data on what would be changed, but unfortunately I don't have the time to make it.

I think this is becoming a joke. There's one shithead with -15 still wreaking havoc in DT1, extorting other members with exclusions/inclusions. I think the idea was that such a person would ultimately stop being eligible for DT1 due to not having 10+ inclusions from merit-earning users but that's clearly not happening and with more and more merit being spread around there will be more merited idiots including other idiots. Perhaps exclusions should count against DT1 eligibility (e.g. if you're excluded by 2 users with 250+ merit, then that negates 2 inclusions from users with 250+ merit) but that probably would open other avenues for abuse.

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Statistics updated, two new graphs added (and one replaced; total members distrust changed for all trust percentages).
Titles & labels changed for clarity such as "DT1 Inclusions" changed to "DefaultTrust Strength" as well as "ex-DT" corrected to DT1 or "Voting-Only DT1".


Interestingly enough the cat is back with +7 DT2 strength, however remains -2 DT1 strength. Being blacklisted from DT1, means the cat is back on DefaultTrust.
Notably there were 0 changes in inclusions & exclusions since going from -2 to +7 DT2 strength, this was merely caused by a DT update.


The following questions can now be asked:

• Should members be allowed to blacklist themselves from DT1 if it benefits them in order to gain DT2 inclusion?
• Should members who request to be blacklisted from DT1 be blacklisted from DefaultTrust all together, if they would otherwise be excluded if selected as DT1?

I don't think Lauda is only the member here who benefits from not being selected into DT1, and therefore gaining DT2 inclusions. Other members also have higher DT2 strength than DT1 I've noticed. This merely serves as a good example.

LoyceV also asked an interesting question along the lines of whether it's intended that DT1 excluded members can still make inclusions/exclusions to other DT1 members, if they are ultimately distrusted by "acting" DT1 members (cant' find quote though).

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Please do, saves me and others making the same mistake more than once  

That didn't happen. When users drop out of DT1 sometimes the DT2 list is not updated in sync, which causes problems on BPIP. This gets cleaned up eventually.

I feel like I've spent so much time explaining this over the past few months that I should just fix it  

I doubt either one in your examples truly understands the ramifications of their constant manipulations within their own community, much-less the wider BitCoinTalk community. (it has nudged Lauda back to minus three however)

That took just less than 10 minutes 

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Edit, then this happens:



What's odd is that gospodin doesn't even trust Lauda, in fact the user is distrusted by Lauda 

Figment's sunk to -2 so it would need to be a collaborative thing to manipulate DT more than it already is and given he distrusts me, I'll sit that one out.

That post is about BPIP and doesn't influence this.

Yes. They need one more DT1-inclusion to be on DT1.

That would be a combination of this and this. Although interesting, it's not something I can quickly create.

Is this before or after this: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bpip-bitcointalk-public-information-project-back-in-action-5213618

Are you saying by trusting figmentofmyass and willi9974 their votes would push Lauda down?

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Are you able to show what the landscape would look like if all who are able to be on DT1 were instead of 100 being randomly selected?

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The knives are certainly out tonight: https://bpip.org/r/dt1changes.aspx

Lauda being blacklisted from DT1 gives rediculous power to other individual DT1-members to influence Lauda's DT2-status. For example, I could single handedly drop Lauda to 7 DT2-exclusions, or raise Lauda to 2 DT2-exclusions.

Bear with me:
Adding this to my Trust list would drop Lauda from DT2 (-4) to DT2 (-7):

Adding this to my Trust list would raise Lauda from DT2 (-4) to DT2 (-2):

If 2 DT1-members coordinate their Trust list changes, they can push Lauda anywhere between 9 exclusions and 1 inclusion on DT2.

Likewise. A re-test of the DT1 Inclusions "power trend-line" is pretty likely that sits around 4 at the moment, even if it takes until the end of the year. I expect it to act as strong resistance however, after failing to find support from it late last year with a classic "dead cat bounce" scenario. Then continue to follow the linear trend-line down hill would be my estimated outcome.

If Lauda was a shitcoin, I woudn't be investing put it that way  

Updated:

When theymos changed DefaultTrust, Lauda went from being excluded on DT2 straight to being included on DT1. In the last month, Lauda went from 13 exclusions on DT2 to 4 exclusions. I expect Lauda to keep bouncing on and off DT2 for a while.

That's what I'd call "death spiral".

No chance to make a comeback from here probably.

OP updated.

Statistics updated:


Latest topic added:

where did this one go?
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.26299465

This threat is a very valuable source of information. Excellent work.

Updated:

Statistics updated & new chart added.

Since this topic was bumped, OP updated with latest most merited topic:

Lauda's just changed both his email address and his PGP keys.

(and he also removed one of the two negative trust feedbacks he'd previously left for me the same day he's telling others to ~Timelord2067 - Lauda is becoming increasingly confused about what he's saying and doing)

Might be 

Done, without prejudice  
Archived.

Full List of Corrupted Capwearers & Lauda's Trolls. Please add. Seems that I'm very powerful and famous even OP is on my payroll according to this thread.

Added + archived.

@dragonvslinux :

Glad you can use my contribution.


I've only added the list of threads that I have posted in that contain the user name "Lauda".

*edit*

another one: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/why-does-a-purchased-account-farm-all-have-lauda-on-their-trust-list-lauda-alts-3003189 Why does a purchased account farm all have Lauda on their trust list? lauda alts

Updated.

List updated with suggestions, apart from topics already included, thanks for finding well-merited posts and other relevant threads that I had missed.



Not interested in self-policing personally, plus I prefer to hand out spades to anyone wanting to dig their own holes


Suggestion appreciated.


Referenced, cheers!

No it's not

There are even more threads about me. Are you selectively trying to cherry-pick those that suit the "gang's agenda"? Pull out the vilest of them all, like Timelord did. Make me even more famous, and you will be thanked for your contributions to the Lauda campaign.

I've got a few to add to your list:

• Q: Should Lauda *really* be a moderator of bitcointalk A: no
• Poll: Are you happy of Lauda's Red Trust made by Roger?
• Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/IronMarvel2/owlcatz extortion attempt
• Shorena is an alt of Lauda
• I repaid loan, lender is happy but Lauda is not ?
• Lauda offered multi-signature escrow with accounts controlled by him.
• aTriz and Lauda just got merit!
• Shit eaters Lauda and Pharmacist- Ban need to executed on these people
• [PRISON BREAK] Full list of users who lost their DT red trust from Lauda
• Announcement @Lauda @ThePharacist @actmyname @Timelord2067 @suchmoon
• Wtf lauda is back?
• Lauda and new DT list
• All topics about Lauda in Meta and Reputation
• Add ~Lauda & ~Zin-Zang to your Default Trust Settings
• | Irrefutable Evidence that Lauda is running the forum with alts and "bitches" |
• Lauda creating flags against random people linked to threads not related.
• More trust system abuse by Lauda

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...and that's just the ones with his name in the title...  

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P.S. - Should have made the thread self moderated. 

The first two charts are DT1, I have put a note at the top now as I realise it was unclear, thanks for bringing it up.
And yes the latter is much more difficult to do, not something I have the time for either to be honest.

Assuming your top 2 charts include all DT members, I think it could be useful if you included another statistic specifically for all users who are/were DT1 only..
Better yet for users who qualified for DT1 even if they didn't make the cut to 100, but that may be more difficult to get data for..

Appreciate the criticism, have included a disclaimer:

He ends up looking like yet another butthurt whiny scammer.

Or what? Your posts in this thread reflect very poorly on you. OP is correct your questions are very off topic. As much as we don't need another Lauda thread at least their local rules don't exclude Lauda from posting here. (Even though bullshit local rules like that are not enforced)

Answer the questions. They're relevant to the thread. This is not a suggestion.

Wrong thread.

What the fuck did you do? 'support the development of a shitcoin'

wtf does this mean?
no one in their right mind touches shitcoins.
ok so you were new?
fucking idiot
write a massive long explanation of what went on when
also tell us why and when you stopped supporting the onion shit
how many btc's did people lose in that scam and how did your 'support' grease those wheels?

Changelog

• 01/01/20: Archive: [1], [2]
  
  • Statistics moved to OP, changed DT charts to reference DT1 for clarity
  • Corrected DT1 distrust%; 30/11/19 dt1 distrust value, [ref change]).
  • Added suggested local rule "No speculating on statistics".
• 03/01/20: Archive: [1], [2]
  
  • Timelord2067's topic suggestions included.
  • LoyceV's 2020 data scoop referenced in OP.
  • Timelord2067 and Lauda added to credits

• 04/01/20: Archived
  
  • Trust statistics updated, all charts.
  • DT Disutrst % scale increased from 60% to 65%

• 08/01/20: Archived: [1], [2].
  
  • Another Timelord2067 contribution.
  • Lauda's contribution.

• 10/01/20:
  
  • OP contribution, formatting corrections.

• 08/02/20:
  
  • Recent most merited topic added.

• 29/02/20: Archived
  
  • Statistics updated & DT1 Inclusions chart added.

• 07/03/20: Archived
  
  • Statistics updated, latest topics added.

• 14/03/20: Archived
  
  • Statistics updated with necessary y-axis modifications, latest topic added.

• 06/06/20: Archived
  
  • Statistics updated with necessary y-axis modifications
    
  • DT1 Inclusions linear trend-line included
  • Latest topics added, disclaimer and suggested local rues updated.

• 04/07/20: Archived
  
  • Graph labels & titles changed for clarity, new graphs added.

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• (38) [Cult of Lauda] An historic peace: Rome’s treaty with Carthage by Lauda, February 8th 2020
• (30)* Re: Report plagiarism (copy/paste) here. Mods: please give temp or permban as needed, May 20th 2020
• (26) All topics about Lauda in Meta and Reputation by LoyceV, January 10 2019
• (25) [PRISON BREAK] Full list of users who lost their DT red trust from Lauda by LoyceV, October 7 2018
• (19) Is Lauda still on DT? (taking requests!) [original title] by LoyceV, August 23 2019
• (18) aTriz and Lauda just got merit! by Deena, January 26 2018
• (17) Can a default trust member (Lauda) arbitrary destroy other people's reputation?? by fisheater, August 05 2017
• (15) Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/IronMarvel2/owlcatz extortion attempt by Quickseller, January 26 2017
• (11) Remove Lauda From DT [original title] by H8bussesNbicycles, January 30 2019
• (9) Irrefutable Evidence that Lauda is running the forum with alts and "bitches" by Hhampuz, January 29 2019
• (7) IS GIVING RED-TRUST THAT NON-EXPLANATORY ? by hacker1001101001, December 29 2019
• (5) [The Cult of Lauda] My Trust List by Lauda, January 17 2019
• (3) HOLY FUCK !!!! THE SCAMMER IS ALSO A PLAGIARIST OF GIANT MAGNITUDE - SIG BAN NO by bonesjonesreturns, May 21st 2020
• (3) The forum would probably be a slightly better place without Lauda's nonsense by VirosaGITS, February 04 2018
• (1) Another Lauda topic : Can we review the feedback she lefts? by Side chain, March 13th 2020
• (1) Is the whole trust system a joke? LAUDA OWNS IT? by savetheFORUM, March 2nd 2020
• (1) RETALIATORY VINDICTIVE TRUST ABUSE by DT by allahabadi, February 26th 2020
• (1) Lauda creating flags against random people linked to threads not related. by Timelord2067, July 04 2019
• (1) Who is judging the judge? The Lauda problem by freedomforum, November 20 2017
• (1) Lauda gives abusive negative trust by ElPedras, November 10 2017
• (1) Why is Lauda still considered trusted? by Cast12, February 15 2017

*Not an OP, but included due to quantity of merit received.

Total OP merit: 233

• 2017: 35
• 2018: 46
• 2019: 78
• 2020: 74

2020

• HOLY FUCK !!!! THE SCAMMER IS ALSO A PLAGIARIST OF GIANT MAGNITUDE - SIG BAN NO by bonesjonesreturns, May 21st
• SUPPORT FLAG FOR SCAMMER LAUDA - explain in meta if you dispute the flag. by bonesjonesreturns, May 20th
• Another Lauda topic : Can we review the feedback she lefts? by Side chain, March 13th
• [The Cult Of Lauda] Lauda's Trust List - Unmoderated Thread by dragonvslinux, March 4th
• Is the whole trust system a joke? LAUDA OWNS IT? by savetheFORUM, March 2nd
• RETALIATORY VINDICTIVE TRUST ABUSE by DT by allahabadi, February 26th
• [Cult of Lauda] An historic peace: Rome’s treaty with Carthage by Lauda, February 8th
• Full List of Corrupted Capwearers & Lauda's Trolls by Bitcoin SV, January 8th

2019

• IS GIVING RED-TRUST THAT NON-EXPLANATORY ? by hacker1001101001, December 29
• More trust system abuse by Lauda by TECSHARE, December 18
• TMAN & Lauda by MarquiseMuseum, November 22
• Is Lauda still on DT? (taking requests!) [original title] by LoyceV, August 23
• Lauda creating flags against random people linked to threads not related. by Timelord2067, July 04
• Lauda using red trust as a weapon to silence those differ from her politically by bryant.coleman, May 02
• Remove Lauda From DT [original title] by H8bussesNbicycles, January 30
• [The Cult of Lauda] My Trust List by Lauda, January 17
• Irrefutable Evidence that Lauda is running the forum with alts and "bitches" by Hhampuz, January 29
• Add ~Lauda & ~Zin-Zang to your Default Trust Settings by Zin-Zang, January 11
• All topics about Lauda in Meta and Reputation by LoyceV, January 10
• Lauda and new DT list by Soha, January 10
• Wtf lauda is back? by VINSIN, January 09

2018

• Announcement @Lauda @ThePharacist @actmyname @Timelord2067 @suchmoon by Thule, October 29
• [PRISON BREAK] Full list of users who lost their DT red trust from Lauda by LoyceV, October 7
• Shit eaters Lauda and Pharmacist- Ban need to executed on these people by spartan82, August 16
• Why does a purchased account farm all have Lauda on their trust list? lauda alts by Quickseller, February 23
• The forum would probably be a slightly better place without Lauda's nonsense by VirosaGITS, February 04
• Don't trust LAUDA by Thule, January 27
• aTriz and Lauda just got merit! by Deena, January 26

2017

• What Would You Do With Lauda If You Were Thymos by Jofor74, December 14
• Who is judging the judge? The Lauda problem by freedomforum, November 20
• Lauda, Sold bitcointalk accounts, Giving neg for others for same reason. by Bitcoin_BOy$, November 16
• Lauda gives abusive negative trust by ElPedras, November 10
• Can a default trust member (Lauda) arbitrary destroy other people's reputation?? by fisheater, August 05
• Lauda going to sleep with a neg trust by ThankyouGod August 12
• Lauda Removed from Default Trust , Next Corrupt Members Vod, Phantastisch, Qwk by kiklo, July 07
• LAUDA IS OFF DT! EVERYONE CELEBRATE! by FXOpen, July 07
• Lauda offered multi-signature escrow with accounts controlled by him. by Deja, June 3
• Lauda is a extortionist/scammer by vodaljepa, May 18
• I repaid loan, lender is happy but Lauda is not ? by MargonCreatives, May 12
• @Theymos, This is the Lauda you Protect while she ruins others reputations by kiklo, May 07
• Shorena is an alt of Lauda by vodaljepa, March 28
• Why is Lauda still considered trusted? by Cast12, February 15
• Lauda should have his ability to delete posts in Self Moderated thread removed by Quickseller, February 11
• Lauda's trust rating? by Rockie1234, January 31
• Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/IronMarvel2/owlcatz extortion attempt by Quickseller, January 26
• [STAFF MEMBER] Lauda blackmailing and asking for a "cut to stay quiet" [original title] by Zeroxal, January 21
• Poll: Are you happy of Lauda's Red Trust made by Roger? by ByeByeGreenTrust, January 10

2016

• Q: Should Lauda *really* be a moderator of bitcointalk A: no by gorgon666 by March 14

2015

• Should Lauda be stripped of staff label? by Fwdxlsh, December 02

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List considerations:

• Does the topic provide any useful information?
• Are there references that document the claims made?
• Is the thread more than about begging for red trust removal?
• Are the replies interesting, useful or informative?

Suggested local rules:

• Only post to contribute to this list, corrections or suggested changes
• No ~Lauda rants, go to the relevant threads for that or create a new one
• Lauda should only post one-liners, not full sentences.
• No speculating on statistics, take it elsewhere.

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